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Exposing Joyce Meyer’s False Gospel Message on Salvation: Who is Joyce Meyer? What does Joyce Meyer believe? What does Joyce Meyer teach?

Examining and Exposing Joyce Meyer’s False Gospel on being born again

Years ago I heard that Joyce Meyer had a false teaching concerning the gospel message of Jesus Christ.  I contacted the ministry in which I heard this from and I got the documentation, and from there I contacted Joyce Meyers Ministries to purchase the book in which was referenced.  The book was called “The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make”, written by Joyce Meyer.

Many people have asked questions on Joyce Meyer such as:  What are the beliefs, teachings & doctrines of Joyce Meyers concerning being “Born Again”?  What does Joyce Meyer believe on what a person must believe to be saved?  What does Joyce Meyer teach concerning Jesus on the cross and spiritual death, and salvation?  Is Joyce Meyer a false teacher?  Is Joyce Meyer a Christian?

Joyce Meyer Exposed

Below will be various quotes examining Joyce Meyer teachings from one of her booklets called “The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make”, and the purpose for this information is not to be contentious or divisive of what Joyce Meyer teaches concerning being born again.  However this information will be both examining and exposing what Joyce Meyer teaches and believes that is false about the gospel of Jesus Christ and how we are saved or born again.

Within the Christian Church there are many people who listen to Joyce Meyer whether on the radio, television, or by reading her books.  However, many do not realize that her teachings are not in accordance with the Word of God.  It is true that there are things she teaches which do line up Biblically, but the same is said of the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Mormons. Joyce Meyers does not have all the same false teachings as those in the Word Faith Movement, but she does have some teachings that are the same with various Faith teachers.  Examine this information for yourself and line up the Biblical gospel to the gospel that Joyce Meyer teaches.  For more information on the Faith Movement teachings go to our Faith Movement section.

In a book called “The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make” Joyce Meyer teaches what it means to be born again and what Christ had to do for people to be saved.  Read the following comments:

“Although your physical body will die someday, your spirit will continue to live for an eternity. Whether your spirit lives in heaven or hell depends on the choices you have made. In this book, best selling author Joyce Meyer outlines God’s plan of salvation so that you can make a quality decision.” (Back of the book, 1996-Edition)

“The spiritual part of you can be thought of as the part of you that cannot be seen with the natural eye. This part of you will live forever. And where the spiritual you lives depends on the decision you make as you read this book.” (Page 8, 1996-Edition)

Exposing Joyce Meyer on Salvation:  Warning, Danger Ahead!

Joyce Meyer believes and teaches that Jesus did not pay for sin upon the cross, but actually went to the torments of hell and made atonement there.  The following quote is from Joyce Meyer’s 1991 booklet on being born again which is worded differently in the 1996-updated edition.

“During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin…He paid the price there.…no plan was too extreme…Jesus paid on the cross and in hell….God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, “Let Him go.” Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus…He was resurrected from the dead the first born-again man” (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make: A Complete And Thorough Understanding Of What It Means To Be Born Again, 1991, pages 35-36, Joyce Meyer)

In her 1996 edition of “The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make” Joyce Meyer states the same things but with different wording.

“Believe that Jesus did what the Bible says. Believe He is indeed the Son of God, born of a virgin. He took man’s sin on the cross. He did not stay dead. He was in the grave three days. During that time, He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin.” (Page 41, 1996-Edition)  Notice the similar wording in this quote compared to the other quote.

“Whatever it took to get God’s people back, free again, is what they would do. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross and went to hell in our place.” (Page 41, 1996-Edition)  Whatever it took means that Jesus had to go to hell, suffer and be tormented by demons in our place.

“When Jesus hung on the cross, He took our sin upon Himself. God cannot stay in the presence of sin. As Jesus took our sin, He was separated from the presence of the Father…Jesus was taking your sins and those of everyone else upon Him as He felt this absence of His Father’s presence. He said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” [Matt. 27:46, author's paraphrase] Jesus knew it would happen, but the horror of separation from the bright presence of the Father was worse than He could of imagined, and it caused Him to cry out…and His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go.” (Page 42, 1996-Edition)  This is a common teaching among the Faith Movement whereas they teach Jesus died spiritually and became literally the nature of sin.  Thus, the Father turned away from Jesus while He was on the cross and Jesus died alone.  Check out our article “Was Jesus Separated From The Father On The Cross?” for further information  on Jesus being separated from the Father and becoming spiritually dead.

“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place. He became your substitute and took all the punishment you deserve. He bore all your sins. He paid the dept you owe…Jesus went to hell for you. He died for you. He paid for your sins.” (Page 43, 1996-Edition)

Concerning being born again and what is required to be saved we see Joyce Meyer teaching:

1.”Believe…what the Bible says.”

2.That when Jesus was on the cross He did not stay dead but went to hell.

3.That Jesus went to hell in our place because that is where we deserved to go.

4.That God would do whatever it took to free His people.

5.That there is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth, meaning what Jesus did to make atonement for sins.

6.That a person must believe in their heart that Jesus took their place on the cross, He died spiritually, (implied) was separated from the Father, tormented by demons in hell, (1991-Edition) Jesus is the first born again man. (1991-Edition)

The Scriptures warn of false teachers and prophets who come in sheep clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.  We must always be on guard for the truth of the gospel message.

What is the True Gospel

The Scriptures are clear on what the Gospel message is.

“1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 NASB)  The apostle Paul taught that Jesus died and rose again  for our sins according to the Scriptures.  Paul taught the death that Jesus died was His physical death and His shed blood.  Nowhere do we find anything from Paul or any other apostle/prophet for that matter state Jesus died spiritually for our sins according to the Scriptures.

What the apostles taught concerning what Jesus did to make atonement and reconciliation for our sins:

“19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. 21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach” (Colossians 1:19-22, NASB)

“18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.” (1 Peter 1:18-19, NASB)

What Jesus taught:

“27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:27, NASB)

“44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:44-47, NASB)

“Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, ‘It is finished!’ And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.” (John 19:30, NASB)

Jesus taught that His death and shed blood was sufficient for the atonement of our sins.  When Jesus said “It is finished” He was teaching an absolute truth that the payment for sin was paid in full.  The Greek of “It is finished” is “tetelestai” which was a common way of saying dept paid in full, it is done.

What Does Born Again Mean?

Simply put being born again means becoming a new creation in Christ.  Jesus taught Nicodemus what born again meant in John 3:1-21and the message was simple.  A person either accepts or rejects that Jesus came to this world to save anyone of their sins.  What does it mean to accept Jesus?  Jesus came first to the Jews, then after His death and resurrection the message was for the apostles to go to all people.  To accept Jesus means you acknowledge you are in need of being saved, (John 3:14-18) that you believe Jesus was the Messiah and God come in the flesh, (John 8:24) that Jesus had the same authority and equality as the Father, (John 5:18-23 & John 10:30) that Jesus was the only way to the Father and for salvation, (John 14:6) that Jesus taught the Father, the Holy Spirit and Himself were three distinct personages from one another. (John 14-16)

John the apostle teaches what born again means:

“4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world–our faith. 5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?”…”10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.”…”20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.” ( 1 John 5, NASB)

What Will You Do?

It is clear that Joyce Meyer teaches a false gospel message concerning what born again means and what is required to believe in order to be saved.  This information shows Biblically that Joyce Meyer is not teaching the Biblical Gospel message and those who listen to her should be concerned.  We believe she is teaching false doctrines of the message of hope and eternal life, and anyone who is serious about wanting to know truth needs to be open to examining this further.  This is not an attack on Joyce Meyer in any way, but rather as said before an exposition on what she teaches concerning being born again.

We are warned in the Scriptures to be careful of those who claim to be of God but are in fact wolves in sheep’s clothing.  There are false prophets & apostles, and false Christ’s:

“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” (Matthew 7:15, NASB)

“For false Christ’s and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect..” (Matthew 24:24, NASB)

“28 “Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 “Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears.” (Acts 20:28-31, NASB)

“13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15, NASB)

We are instructed to examine all people and doctrines for truth, and reject false teachers and doctrines:

“10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:10-11, NASB)

“But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21, NASB)

“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15, NASB)

“2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4, NASB)

“10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.” (Titus 3:10-11, NASB)

What will you do with this information?  If any of you are wondering if we have attempted to contact Joyce Meyer Ministries, the answer is yes.  We have attempted contacting Joyce Meyer Ministries through emails and by phone, yet no reply.  Our conclusion is she does not want to discuss this and we urge you to share this vital information with those who listen to Joyce Meyer.  If you have any questions concerning what we have shared we would encourage you to contact us.

You are encouraged to share your comments and questions concerning this information.

Kelly Powers

Discussion

35 thoughts on “Exposing Joyce Meyer’s False Gospel Message on Salvation: Who is Joyce Meyer? What does Joyce Meyer believe? What does Joyce Meyer teach?

  1. I don’t believe any one person has it completely right. I have watched joyce on tv and read some of her books. I don’t think she is a false teacher that the Bible warns us about. Rev 1:15- and His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been caused to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.
    verse 18- and the living One; and I was dead , and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
    This could be the verse she got this from.
    God did do whatever it took for us to be saved. He gave us His Son. Would you do that for someone you loved much less someone who hates you and denies your very existance?
    I understand where your coming from, but do you know anyone who knows everything about the Bible?
    Joyce has said somethings I don’t agree with, but I don’t think it’s ok to label her this way. I have never heard her deny Christ or say that there is another way to be saved. She has said time and again that good works won’t get you there , by grace you are saved through faith( Not exact – the way I took it.)

    Posted by 1OP | December 26, 2011, 10:57 PM
  2. Sounds like Joyce accepts the ransom theory of atonement. Origen was believed to hold this theory, but I am not absolutely sure as I am still reading up on the early church. To my knowledge there still is not a formal doctrine per se on atonement (perhaps a catechism) but there are guidelines. The ransom theory is heretical in my opinion and this ransom theory seems to be accepted by the word of faith movement.

    Cup of Java

    Posted by java37 | December 27, 2011, 12:37 PM
  3. the problem with the real christians today is that the same thing that the word of God warn us to be aware is what we forget to discern and reject, Jesus and the apostle teach us about the corruption of the real gospel by people that will appear like real leader or holy preacher,we are calling what is bad [good] and so on.my own opinion is that when there is no understanding of the truth about the word of God, discerment is lost.the prosperity gospel movement,faith movement,emergent church,and ecumenism are false teachings and the work of the devil.we deceived ourselves when we as a christian not only desobey the warnings of Jesus but accept or not reject such people and their teachings.

    Posted by Anonymous | January 16, 2012, 10:53 AM
  4. I’ve been avoiding this sight. I have studied some on the faith movement. I didn’t even know that there was a faith movement. I started watching Joyce on tv about 15 years ago. I never really thought about it. I related to her because , she seemed to be able to take the scriptures put them in real life. In Battlefield of the mind, made me aware of my thoughts and that I could control them. I have never hear anyone teach that way. The church I was going to , made you feel, that you has to be perfect to serve God.They put people in what I call “boxes” and if you didn’t fit, you were dead to them. I never fit. As I started reading, going to different sites, I was sick , my heart broken over what I learned about her. I guess I took her at her word, being deaf to what she was actually said. Thank you, Kelly, even it I didn’t want to hear it.

    Posted by Donna 1op | February 7, 2012, 8:36 AM
  5. Thank you for sharing this. Myself I had to make a choice years ago concerning Joyce. The more we grow (very good to be growing in The faith) we will get discernment and at times realize such and such is not of God truly or that they ate misleading people.

    May God continue to grow you in grace and truth. (2Peter 3:14-18)

    Posted by Kelly Powers | February 7, 2012, 9:05 AM
  6. I heard people from the church say, “Accept what you can accept, and reject those you can’t” (regarding sermons) but that should not be the case. The Bible is clear and as long as we are led by the Holy Spirit into all the truth, then we can always be on the right tract. if a preacher does not rightly divide the word of truth, be it from negligence or he’s just plainly heretic, then we must first, correct with love, if that is not possible, if not, then we must reject what he taught.
    And yes i believe we can know all or everything about the bible, because it is God’s will for us to know it that is why he revealed it to us. there are those that he concealed because it was not meant to be revealed to us.
    here’s what I suggest: Let’s always, seriously, unceasingly pray for our pastors.

    Posted by Jonathan | February 22, 2012, 2:28 AM
  7. Hello Jonathan, thanks for sharing. As you have read, the gospel is what drives me in addressing Joyce Meyer. Galatians 1:6-9

    Take care, hope you browse other articles we have.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | February 28, 2012, 10:05 PM
  8. After examining the Scriptures for myself and reviewing what Joyce Meyers says in her booklet and also I have watched her on TV several times to just listen to her words, I found that she is a false teacher. By the by the booklet “The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make,” has been revised to “A New Way of LIving.”
    Joyce Meyers is very good with her “Words.” She has a history of helping many people. On the outward we see all her good deeds, we see how popular she is, but now I see “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” 2 Tim. 4:3.
    The bible tells us to have spiritual discerment to test the spirit. Once you do this….you will find the Word-Faith movement & the Prosperity gospel people are all one and the same. (yeah, they’re prospering alright!!!).
    2 Cor. 11:3,4-But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. verses: 13,14–For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ..And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. (Read the whole chap. 2 Cor 11).

    Posted by Peggy | May 8, 2012, 12:17 PM
  9. I have been listening to and reading Joyce Meyers for several years now and I have NEVER heard her teach this. I don’t know what teaching you are referring to. And as time goes and we grow more in The Lord, things we believed to be true , we often find are not. I will keep an open mind and continue listening and imploring God to lead me to the truth. He’s never told me her teachings are not the Word Of God.

    Posted by Susan Strain | July 11, 2012, 10:58 AM
  10. Hello Susan. I thank you for sharing your comment here. Susan, I would ask you to re-read this article and see the references from Joyce Meyer book on the Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make. I have heard her speak about this on tv before years ago and as far I know this book she wrote is still for sale through Joyce Meyer Ministries.

    ministry http://faithcenteredresources.com/authors/joyce-meyer-portal.asp?gclid=CMjwpqO1lLECFWaFQAodVVTihA and https://www.faithcenteredresources.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes

    and http://www.amazon.com/Most-Important-Decision-Will-Ever/dp/0446691534

    and http://www.christianbook.com/most-important-decision-will-ever-make/joyce-meyer/9780446691536/pd/6691534

    This issue with Joyce has been around since 1991 with her first edition. She denied that she taught this years ago yet she wrote about about it and sold it for money, and it is still for sell. If she has changed I have not heard about this or read it anywhere. If she has repented of this false belief that would be great, but that is not the case. If she does not believe this anymore she needs to address it and stop the selling of this book.

    As I shared in the above article the issue is on the gospel message and what the Word of God teaches and warns about. I would rather offend people for the cause of truth than to insult the gospel of Jesus Christ. I hope you understand that. Have a good day and may the Lord give you a heart of discernment for the sake of the gospel.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | July 12, 2012, 10:21 AM
  11. So I decide to get on Joyce Meyers mailing list. Next thing I know her ministry is sending me letters about “how to overcome depression.” Material she is selling, DVD series, CD series about how she wants to help me have peace with God and so on…….. Not one word of salvation or how to be saved. Not one word of the Gospel message! At the end of the letter she is selling her wares. For $100 you can have this DVD series or that. I’m not stupid. From my Spirit inside my soul I can clearly see what Joyce Meyers is all about. On the outward she paces the stage with the bible in her hand quoting scriptures, but the inward I challenged her to sell everything she has and follow Jesus Christ!!! She is getting rich off of God.

    Posted by Peggy | July 12, 2012, 12:32 PM
  12. My own opinion I guess is that the messages are life enhancement Gospel with self as the motivation for serving the Lord behind it. I don’t sense that people are convicted to repent from their immorality and worldliness, the result is shallow believers. What comes across as the virtues of Joyce Meyer is how to gain all the things of this world. Jesus virtue was about losing your life in this world to gain the riches in heaven
    There was a quote that went like this: The old cross slew sinners, the new cross entertains them

    Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2012, 8:52 AM
  13. The more I read of people arguing about Gods word. The more I get confused. I dont think that no ONE RELIGION has all the right and true answers. I think im just gonna cease buying peoples books and reading blogs. I believe this is where so much of my confusion is coming..ARGUING and PROVING who is RIGHT and who is WRONG!! Is this what GOD desires?

    Posted by ticklicious | April 20, 2013, 10:01 AM
  14. Hello “tickilcious” and thank you for taking the time to share a comment. I would agree that there is a lot of arguing, that there is “no one religion” out there, and it can be confusing. It really comes down to following Jesus and being a genuine follower of Him. In this article that is emphasized and the warnings from Jesus on those whom will mislead people. I would hope that you read through the Scriptures that were shared here, and give your heart to Jesus and follow Him, not blogs, not religions, etc.

    If there is anything that we can help with we will be there to do our best.

    “14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.” 2 Peter 3 NASB

    Kelly

    Posted by Kelly Powers | April 20, 2013, 10:39 PM
  15. I appreciate your reply. Yes, I am aware of the false prophets scripture in Matthew. I sometimes have to do research on certain scriptures and other material pertaining to my lessons
    because of my bible study class. Yes I do sometimes end up coming across blogs that have controversy. I do put my Trust and Faith in God, thats not even an option. I guess what Im trying to boil everything down to is, so much time is spent arguing and people using scripture for more of their own pleasures rather than Gods real and true purpose. Religion wars have gotten to be so controversial and nasty in a NICE WAY.People that know Gods Word seem to want credit for “self ” and in all actuality its a form of PRIDE. I just think bashing one another can be hurtful to someone who is starting their walk or may even be struggling in their walk with God. We are susposed to also rely on our more Mature servants. Its great to share the gospel, but does it have to become a WHOS RIGHT AND WHOS WRONG…Ive read and listened to a lot of JOYCE MEYER. I know she believes in God ,Jesus and The Holy Spirit, as long as she doesnt backslide from those teachings. I pray before I read her or anyone else’s books..There are a few books Ive put down and none of them have been hers. The one thing that is annoying to me is the fancy wording to see who is more educated .And that can be so frustrating to someone who is just learning the Bible ,If they’re spending more time looking up dictionary words versus receiving His message. :) In Christ

    Posted by ticklicious | April 20, 2013, 11:33 PM
  16. I HAVE WATCHED JOYCE FOR YEARS. HER WORDS DO NOT “TICKLE MY EARS” ON THE CONTRARY I FIND MYSELF BEING CONVICTED BY HER TRUTHS. I AM AN ORDAINED MINISTER MYSELF. HAVING COME FROM A BACKROUND OF DRUGS, ALCOHOL,SEX,AND DEBAUCHERY, I WAS CALLED TO THE INNER CITY OF ATLANTA GA. I HAVE BEEN CURSED AT, CONNED, THREATENED, AND EVEN STONED. BUT THE POWER OF GODS WORD BEING ABLE TO PENETRATE THE DARKNESS THROUGH SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE, CHANGED LIVES. THIS IS THE CASE WITH JOYCE. SHE IS ABLE TO REACH MILLIONS THAT NO ONE ELSE WOULD BE ABLE TO. SCRIPTURE SAYS YOU SHALL KKNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT. I SUGGEST YOU START THERE. THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS TOTALLY INADEQUATE TO PROPERLY AND DEEPLY RELATE THE THINGS OF GOD. CUT JOYCE SOME SLACK AS SHE REACHES THE WORLD AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL.

    Posted by MITCH RESLER | April 28, 2013, 9:37 PM
  17. I wonder how Paul would view another gospel? Let’s see,

    “6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed” (Galatians 1:6-9 NASB)

    People need to read the context of what was shared and not reply with the wishy washy emotionalism stuff. Remember what Jesus said concerning their fruit?

    “21 “Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'” (Matthew 7:21-23 NASB)

    What’s the true fruit? The gospel message is central and should be on the highest mark for genuine fruit! Well if one preaches another gospel their fruit is rotten and not of the Lord, plain and simple. I cannot deny all the so called people that Joyce, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, T. D. Jakes, PCD, and others have been somewhat influenced or helped. But if in all that, they have not come to truly know Jesus and be saved with the Biblical gospel, does it really matter? Isn’t there a line that has to be drawn at some point? The answer is yes, according to the Word of God.

    I am reminded of what Paul wrote, “So have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?” (Gal. 4:16 NASB)

    Posted by Kelly Powers | April 28, 2013, 10:12 PM
  18. What does the Scriptures say about false teachers? Does God use them to preach the Gospel if the results is that some will be saved? Can false teachers bring the unsaved to Christ? Are the methods some preachers use to bring folks to Christ just has powerful as those preachers who are of a sound doctrine?

    Posted by gsmol0034 | April 29, 2013, 7:41 AM
  19. I recall in 1989 when my husband and I decided to start attending church. We knew nothing about the Bible or how church functioned. I did not know anything about Jesus. We drove around town seeking a church to attend. After much searching we came upon a cute church and decided to attend one Sunday. After that…. we got married and baptized. We were members of that church for five years. I loved it and learned for the first time how a church family works. Mind you….. I struggled a lot as a babe in Christ during that time learning how to follow Jesus. At first I had a hard time believing Jesus really loved me and I doubted my salvation. I’ve been a Christian for over 20 years and have grown in the Lord so much! During my time at that church I had such a hunger to know God more. My husband and I attended many bible studies with other believers and we became very active in the church. I realized as I studied God’s powerful Word that I was hearing from the pulpit false doctrine. I heard the pastor say if you are Not baptized, you are not saved. We started researching and asking questions and of course turning to the Bible and much prayer. When I read Eph. 2:8-9 and other passages I realized our pastor was from a Church of Christ an off shoot of Barton Stone back in the early years and they taught Baptismal Regeneration. Well, it broke my heart. Because I really loved attending that church, but God was calling us to leave. So did many other families. As a Believer in Christ I could No longer attend that church. We found a Bible believing church after that and grew immensely!!! I learned spiritual discernment and how to test the spirit after that. I can honestly say the pastor was a false teacher that taught a false gospel. My mind shut down to anything he said after that. After learning the truth I could not No longer listen to him. He was a great guy with a nice personality, but so deceived and living a lie. That is how I see the Word of Faith movement which Joyce Meyers, Benny Hinn, The Copelands, TD Jakes and especially Joel Osteen. If there are believers in their church and they don’t hear the Truth by now, they will either keep closed to the truth and continue believing a lie or they will be so connected to God and He will reveal to them (just like He did to me) GET OUT!!! I think many in those churches already sense something is wrong. The problem with “tickiing” is it “feel’s” good. That’s why they stay.

    Posted by gsmol0034 | April 29, 2013, 8:08 AM
  20. Quote: What does the Scriptures say about false teachers?

    Scriptures teach us to be on guard against false teachers and that we are to avoid them.

    “13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’ 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 “And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 “The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell–and great was its fall.” (Matthew 7:13-27 NASB)

    Quote: Does God use them to preach the Gospel if the results is that some will be saved?

    God can use anyone to help lead someone to faith and be truly be saved, if they come to know the gospel message about Jesus as the lamb of God whom shed His blood to make atonement, and His resurrection message of eternal life. Not everyone who says Lord Lord is of God, that includes those whom even preach at churches in their pulpits, yet they are not born again.

    Quote: Can false teachers bring the unsaved to Christ?

    Depends on whom the false teachers are. Can Islam teach people the grace of Christ? No they cannot. Can Buddhism teach the truth about sin and being set free only Jesus Christ? No it cannot. Can those whom claim to be Christians but in fact are not help lead some people to Christ? It is possible for sure. Again, depends whom. And that does not mean they are approved by God.

    Quote: Are the methods some preachers use to bring folks to Christ just has powerful as those preachers who are of a sound doctrine?

    Your last question, assuming “some preachers” means those whom are false, are they just as powerful as those of sound doctrine preachers? Unfortunately they can be more influential because wide is the road that leads to destruction and narrow is the path that leads to life in Christ.

    “2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths” (2 Timothy 4:2-4 NASB)

    What do the Scriptures say? They say avoid false teachers and prophets whom are leading people astray with a false gospel.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | April 29, 2013, 8:27 AM
  21. Thanks for sharing, I know what you have shared, very true.

    Glad to hear you came out, have grown discernment and truth in Christ.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | April 29, 2013, 9:45 AM
  22. Hello tick…

    In regards to your comments, my article is not about other things she has spoken or written on, but rather on this topic and her teachings from the “Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make”. I also shared from Jesus and Paul’s view on another gospel. Do you believe as she does in her book that in order for a person to be saved they must believe that Jesus died spiritually and went to hell to suffer for our sins, and it was not through His shed blood & physical death that made atonement for sin? Is that the gospel you believe in as well?

    Posted by Kelly Powers | May 1, 2013, 12:02 AM
  23. No, I BELIEVE JESUS DIED for my sins and shed his blood for me…I did’nt look at the info you presented about Joyce. We all have to start somewhere with our walk in Christ, and we all make mistakes along our path..As someone mentioned to you..”We need to pray for our pastors.” I know she Believes that Jesus shed his blood for us, I’ve heard her preach this and say those very words..I have made my peace with this topic and I will move on…God Bless You.

    Posted by ticklicious | May 1, 2013, 10:19 PM
  24. Hello tick…

    I am glad you don’t believe in the spiritual death false gospel message. The main issue is that she does have this theology in her teachings, I have heard it as well. I have also heard her say the death and resurrection in the past. The problem is she teaches both and has not repented of her false version of the gospel nor stopped the production of her book.

    As to people saying they believe in Jesus shed blood for us, have you ever talked to Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons, to name a couple? They say the same type of things, yet when examined they have a different gospel as well, which is not the true gospel message.

    I wish you well, thanks for sharing.

    “17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.” (2 Peter 3:17-18 NASB)

    Posted by Kelly Powers | May 1, 2013, 11:53 PM
  25. I don’t sleep very well, so listen to Joyce Meyer every night on my I-Pod. To be honest, I don’t entirely understand what she is saying that is so wrong. She talks about repentance, salvation, believing in God for change and our future. Seems to be a positive response to Scripture. From her books I am learning that I can expect God to find appropriate employment for me as I am looking for work. Does this all mean that I can not rely on God for this anymore? Every time I get scared about the future I think about Joyce Meyers reminders to be strong in the Lord etc. Can you explain the problem more simply please?

    Posted by Anne Hurst | May 8, 2013, 1:46 AM
  26. you are looking to Joyce Meyers for peace. Look to Jesus Christ for your answers, not her. You have the Bible and prayer to connect to God at night when you cannot sleep. Whenever I can’t sleep I know it is the Lord calling me to pray and commune with Him. I don’t go to a person for my comfort. I get up and go to Him in my livingroom and get on my hands and knees and listen for His voice through His Word. I generally pray and open the Psalms. I find comfort and peace there, get tired, get up and go to bed and sleep like a baby!
    Joyce Meyers is making a lot of money off of you. She is going to say whatever your tickling ears want to hear. It will sound good. I hope you are not depending on her material to fill your mind with God’s wisdom, because you will not be able to hear how false she is. Your bible needs to be open at all time if you decide to continue listening to her and using her material. Otherwise you will not be able to discern what many are telling you in this site. Joyce Meyers is of the Prosperity Gospel. Just like Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Copeland and the rest of them. They depend on your money to keep the ministry going and they will put you on a guilt trip if you don’t give to them and buy their stuff. You don’t need her to tell you that you will get employment. Your faith in Jesus Christ will assure you of that. It does not mean you cannot rely on God anymore. But this tells you you CanNot rely on Joyce Meyers. Put all your trust in God, seek His face and you will find Him.

    Posted by Peggy | May 8, 2013, 1:41 PM
  27. Hello Anne. I want to thank you for taking the time to share some comments and ask for some help. I would agree with what Peggy has shared in context, its about Jesus and finding peace in Him. Remember what Jesus shared in Matthew 6:25-34:25 – “”For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 “Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 “And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 “And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 “But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 “Do not worry then, saying, `What will we eat?’ or `What will we drink?’ or `What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 “For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 “But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. 34 “So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”

    As to the issue of Joyce, did you read the whole article? In short the issue is not what she teaches that is right, such as things on fear, trusting in God, overcoming things, but rather on her gospel message for salvation. I am reminded of what Jesus taught in Matthew 7:13-27 on being careful of false teachers and their influences. Jesus said many would say Lord Lord, thus claiming to be of the faith but in reality are not of Him or known by Him. I would encourage you to re-read our article, look at the Scriptures, and think on them. My purpose is not to attack her but to inform people concerning her false gospel. Years ago I used to listen to her, I enjoyed it, but I had to make a decision in regards to being informed of this? I choose to follow the Lord and His Word. I hope this is simple to understand and that you consider these things, and that you dig more into the Scriptures and seeking the Lord for wisdom.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | May 9, 2013, 4:35 PM
  28. I only read enough of this to know I will steer clear of this, after leaving this comment. I may not be the most ‘learned’ or most religious person posting here but there are several verses addressing causing others to stumble or question their faith. While I may not agree with how Joyce relates some of her material that is no different then find myself in conflict with aspects specific to individual churches may follow. i.e Not wearing Jewelery, eating pork, worshiping on Saturday vs Sunday. In the end we are supposed to consult the good book and follow what we derive from all the input on the issue. Otherwise many of us would not have a church to go to, or other sources to consult. Joyce has a unique way or examples for some of the issues, just like I like Joel Ostein sermons and the light he has shed on things. There are some very serious issues in the world today that this type of energy should be focused at so everyone comes together. I believe these types of discussions divide everyone so the Devil gains ground and creates further confusion.

    Posted by John | March 30, 2014, 1:07 PM
  29. I only read about half of your jiberish. Seriously she is motivating people to accept jesus christ as their and to live a fulfilling positive life on earth. While your disecting every word and missing the message!!!!!!!!!!! SHe always includes in her sermons to read and study the bible yourself she doesnt claim anything outragious. Please go do something more productive with your life, turning people away from someone or something that could help them is a silly way to spend your years on earth.

    Posted by stephanie | March 31, 2014, 4:18 AM
  30. Evangelical Christians know that Joyce and Joel (Among other false prophets) are of the Word of Faith movement. If you listen to them and if you study your Bible carefully about these matters…you will hear how they take scriptures out of context. Joel Osteen is well known all throughout Christendom to preach a Prosperity gospel. Paul the Apostle was very clear how we must have spiritual discernment and we must test the spirit to be sure they are of God!
    In 2 Corinthians 11:4– Paul warns us against pastors/people in the church that if they preach a Jesus other than the Jesus WE preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. You must have knowledge. Verse 13- for such men are false prophets, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. In Galatians 1:6-10–..Paul speaks about believers who are turning to a different gospel—which is really No Gospel AT ALL. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the Gospel of Christ. They will be eternally condemned!
    My advise to you is Stop trying to win the approval of men. Seek God in these matters. If another believer is warning you about false prophets that make up the Gospel and their revelation is not from JC…there is a reason why you are reading this Warning. By your acceptance of these false teachers tells me you would be accepting of any gospel as long as it “feels good!” Don’t be so accepting…DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!

    Posted by gsmol0034 | March 31, 2014, 9:33 AM
  31. Kelly — I have read all of your posting and all of the comments on it. As far as I can tell you have only one bone of contention with Joyce Meyer, and that is that she believes that atonement was made both on the cross and during 3 days in hell, whereas you believe that atonement was made solely on the cross. Am I understanding you correctly? If so, I contend that Joyce is not at all a false teacher, as you have charged her to be. She may be incorrect on this one issue, or on several issues, but I would call that simply being an IMPERFECT (human) teacher, not a false teacher. To me, saying that someone is a false teacher is to say that they purposefully mislead & lie. That is different than being mistaken or incorrect on any
    one (or more) topics. None of us is perfect and we all interpret the Bible to the best of our abilities (and with the help of the Holy Spirit), but I doubt that very many people ever, will get absolutely everything 100% correct. Please do not fault her for this. I believe she teaches in good faith, to the best of her ability, and I believe that she is indeed led by the Holy Spirit as He speaks through her. However, the Spirit is using an imperfect vessel to convey the message (a human woman). Please consider my perspective that she is merely imperfect. She is not seeking to mislead or teach falsehoods at all. I welcome your feedback. Thank you, Kelly!

    Posted by Susan Beurket | March 31, 2014, 2:13 PM
  32. The writer of this expose’ has not faulted Joyce Meyer for “not being perfect”….. We are commanded to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, bringing Light to it….That Light is the Truth of jesus Christ. We are furthermore not to add to or take away from that Truth of His Word. To state and to teach that the Blood of Jesus Christ was INSUFFICIENT to atone for our sins, is heresy of the worst sort. NOwhere in the Word of God are we told, in any way shape or form, that Jesus went into hell to be tortured and suffer…. He descended to preach to angels being held for judgement, and to lead the captives of sin in His “Train” or Glory into the new Paradise, which is now in the Heavens rather than in the heart of the Earth where it was before the Cross. So, perhaps we all need to choose here…. Was the Precious Blood of the lamb of God SUFFICIENT, or was it not? Was Jesus’ work “finished” (accomplished” on the Cross, as Jesus stated it was with His dying breaths), or was it not? Will we add to the Word of God and not answer for our blasphemous acts? Teachers are to be judged more stricly than anyone else because of the import of the ministry….Young Timothy was commanded to “watch his life and doctrine very closely, for in so doing he would save both himself and his hearers” (my paraphrase)……What we SAY to people had better be the WORD OF GOD, and not a fable or fairy tale…which is EXACTLY what Meyer teaches. If you believe that’s not a big deal in God’s sight, then I would suggest a prolonged stay at an altar of prayer, and a diligent return to the purity of the Bible on the subject of Salvation and the Atonement. To defend Meyer’s position and heresy demonstrates that you’ve either completely missed God’s plan of Salvation, or that you’ve been “bewitched” by false prophets and wolves. I make no apologies here….. When someone blasphemes the Power of the Blood of the Perfect Lamb of God, I’ll step in and contend for the Faith once delivered unto the Saints.

    Posted by Dr. Tom Marino | April 16, 2014, 11:19 AM
  33. I would like to hear from Joyce Meyer’s herself. Is there a way we can try again to contact her?

    Posted by gsmol0034 | April 17, 2014, 9:41 AM
  34. Do you have a copy of the latest version of “The Greatest Decision You Will Ever Make”??
    When I contacted JM Ministries, their response was they revised it.

    Posted by gsmol0034 | April 17, 2014, 9:46 AM
  35. Dr. Marino — Thank you for your reply. I read what you said here, and I’ve spent several hours today reading info on this Berean Perspective web site. The scriptures are given here to support the info presented. I admit, I stand corrected. I did study the Bible a great deal when I was young, but have done little Bible study since then, and I am 45 now. You are right that I need to get back into the scriptures and read for myself, rather than just listening to TV preachers. I recently decided that it is time to turn my life around, and to draw closer to Jesus. I am praying for the Lord to mold me and to change my life to be in accordance with His will. So, to this endeavor I have been watching a lot of TV evangelists who claim and seem to be Christians. I have been believing what they said without reading the scripture myself, which I now see is folly. Just very recently I have also seen several videos from other sources that call Joyce Meyer a false teacher. I have also heard (both here and from other sources) that Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher. These are two that I’ve been watching a lot on TV, and believing what they are teaching. I am grateful for your reply, and I am grateful for this web site which I now see is an excellent resource for me as I develop my faith and relationship with Jesus. I’d like to ask you about other TV evangelists that I’ve been watching. Please tell me if you think they are false teachers as well. These include: Joseph Prince, James Robison (of the “Life Today” program) and Drenda Keesee. I would greatly value your insights about them. Thank you!
    To conclude, I’d like to share my prayer with you and others reading this: Lord in Heaven, Please make my heart, mind and actions be in accordance with your will. Please mold me into the person You desire me to be. Please give me wisdom, insight and understanding as I read Your Word. Thank you for your love and the gift of salvation! I praise the name of Jesus! Amen.

    Posted by Susan Beurket | April 17, 2014, 12:45 PM

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