Hyper Dispensationalism, Religious Movements

Hyper-Dispensationalism and the New Covenant: Dangers, False Doctrines, Truth!

Hyper-Dispensationalism (also known as Ultra-Dispensationalism, Mid Acts Dispensationalism) is a movement that sounds Biblical, but in essence have doctrines that are false and that are dangerous to the body of Christ.  The main doctrines of Hyper-Dispensationalism concerning the New Covenant are:  The Bible is written for us but not all of it is for us, that is the body of Christ only is to follow what the Apostle Paul taught in his Epistles for doctrine and practice.  Paul was the first Christian and the body of Christ (Christian Church) started with his conversion.  The Gospels are not for the body of Christ but are for the nation of Israel.  Jesus only came to save the nation of Israel and His teachings were faith plus works for salvation, and the New Covenant was only for the nation of Israel and the body of Christ is not in the New Covenant.

Biblical response to Hyper-Dispensationalism on “New Covenant for Jews only.”

The main problem with Hyper-Dispensationalism is the misconception of what the New Covenant is and whom it is for.  Throughout the Bible it is clear God works with His people by covenants, that is agreements.  A covenant is defined as a “contract or agreement.”  God throughout the Scriptures calls out to people to follow His ways, to turn from their ways, and in that they will be delivered from their sins.  The Bible speaks of a Messiah who comes to give His life as an atoning sacrifice for the transgressions of mankind, both for those of Israel and the Gentiles.

“31 Behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, 32 not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says Jehovah; 33 but this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, says Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” (Jeremiah 31:31-34 MKJV)

Hyper-Dispensationalism teaches that this text is proof that Jesus the Messiah came only for the nation of Israel to give the New Covenant, therefore since these verses only speak of Jews in context it means that the New Covenant is not for the Gentiles.  The belief is that the New Covenant was in effect from the time of the Jesus dying on the cross until conversion of Paul for Jews, then the time of grace started with the body of Christ being both Jews and Gentiles.

“1 Behold My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect, in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit on Him; He shall bring out judgment to the nations…6 I Jehovah have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand, and will keep You, and give You for a covenant of the people, for a Light of the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1&6 MKJV)

This is prophecy of the coming Messiah who would bring judgment for the nations, that is the Gentiles.  This prophecy speaks of the Servant, which is referring to the suffering Messiah as Isaiah 53:1-12 teaches.  Jesus spoke of coming for the whole world in John 3:16, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”  Jesus spoke of Him coming for the nation of Israel in Matthew 15, but Jesus also spoke of His coming for the Gentiles to trust in Him as well in the Gospel of Matthew.

“18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. 21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.” (Matthew 12:18-21 KJV)

This was spoken directly from the prophecy in Isaiah 42 and was referring Jesus and the Gentiles.  The Bible teaches that Jesus the Messiah came for the nation of Israel, the Gentiles, that is Jesus came to give His life for the whole world.  Jesus giving His life as an atoning sacrifice is what established the New Covenant for anyone to trust in Him for salvation.

Paul taught that the sacrifice Jesus was “prophesied for both Jews and Gentiles.”

Hyper-Dispensationalism teaches that only Paul spoke of the cross being atonement for sins for all people, and that is just not true.  Paul shared what was already spoken of by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to God’s prophets.

“2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.)” (2 Corinthians 6:2 KJV)

“8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages.”         (Isaiah 49:8 KJV)

These two Scriptures go together in fulfillment for all people to look to God for salvation, and that was done through the work of Jesus Christ from what Paul is teaching.  Paul is quoting Isaiah 49:8 which was a covenant for salvation for all people.

“6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6 MKJV)

Paul speaks of the “new testament” which is literally the “New Covenant” in which the work of the cross has established for all people.  Throughout Paul’s writings he speaks of salvation being of the heart, not of works or the flesh.  Paul in writing to Gentile Christians in Corinth speaks of “us” as being the body of Christ being able ministers in the “New Covenant.”

Paul in Epistle to the Romans speaks of prophets foretelling salvation being able to the Gentiles.  If Hyper-Dispensationalism would examine closely the teachings of Paul they would see the truth is that the coming of the Messiah was for both the Jews and the Gentiles.

“23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in O see, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.” (Romans 9:23-25 KJV)

“23 And I will sow her to Me in the earth. And I will have mercy on No-mercy. And I will say to Not-my-people, You are My people. And they shall say, My God.” (Hosea 2:23 MKJV)

It is clear that Paul acknowledged that the prophets spoke of this salvation for both Jews and the Gentiles.  Jesus came not only for the Jews but also for the Gentiles.

“19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses says, “I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.” 20 But Isaiah is very bold and says, “I was found by those who did not seek Me, I became known to those who did not ask after Me.” 21 But to Israel He says, “All day long I have stretched forth My hands to a disobeying and gainsaying people.” (Romans 10:19-21 MKJV)

“1 I am sought by those who asked not for Me; I am found by those who did not seek Me. I said, Behold Me, behold Me, to a nation not calling on My name. 2 I have spread out My hands all the day to a rebellious people who walk in the way not good, after their own thoughts.” (Isaiah 65:1-2 MKJV)

It is true that Jesus came for the house of Israel, the Jews.  But prophecy spoke in advance that God was not only giving this salvation only for the Jews but also for the Gentiles.  Paul acknowledges that God not only was reaching out to the Jews but also to those who were Gentiles, and to those who were not looking for Him.  We read in the New Testament that after Christ was raised the commandment was given to go to all nations, and reading in the book of Acts the message of Jesus Christ crucified, raised, and all who trust in Him will be saved from the sins.

“44 And He said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and in the Psalms about Me. 45 And He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures. 46 And He said to them, So it is written, and so it behoved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be proclaimed in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:44-47 MKJV)

Jesus spoke of His death and resurrection many times to His disciples, but they did not understand this until He was raised from the dead.  Jesus told them to go to all nations and they did.  The message for salvation is for all people.  Jesus said that these things were written in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and Psalms, which shows that this message was spoken of before the Apostle Paul.  It is true that Paul clarified and expounded on many things, but it is not true that it was only Paul who spoke of salvation for the Gentiles.

This information has shown that God made a way for both the Jews and the Gentiles to be saved from their sins through the work of Jesus Christ.  The Apostle Paul teaches that this New Covenant is for both the Jews and the Gentiles, for those who are in the body of Christ.  Paul in writing to the Corinthians spoke of partaking of the Lord’s Supper.

“25 After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.” (1 Corinthians 11:25 KJV)

Paul writing to Gentile Christians spoke of them partaking of the Lord’s Supper, which was done in remembrance of Christ’s shed blood for the New Covenant.  If the New Covenant was only for the Jews why is Paul not rebuking the Corinthians for partaking of this covenant ordinance that is not for them?  Reading the context of the passage Paul is teaching them on how to partake of it properly, which shows Paul did not teach that the body of Christ was not a part of the New Covenant.

Those who teach that the body of Christ is not in the New Covenant through the atoning shed blood of Jesus Christ are themselves in deception.  If a person has not come to accept Jesus Christ being the only atoning sacrifice for our sins and is in covenant with God, that is in agreement with God’s provision for dealing with mankind’s sins than they are truly not of Him.  The purpose of sharing this information is that Hyper-Dispensationalism is in error on the work of Jesus Christ establishing a new covenant with man for them to have atonement for their sins.  May this information be used to glorify Christ and help those who are misled understand the glorious work of the cross.

Discussion

8 thoughts on “Hyper-Dispensationalism and the New Covenant: Dangers, False Doctrines, Truth!

  1. Kelly, are these doctrines that you claim are part of Mid-Acts dispensationalism based on some actual group or is this just a straw-man that you’ve constructed so that you could so easily knock it down? Your “shotgun” approach to criticizing those that do not accept your tradition is leaving a lot of collateral damage. You should be specific about who teaches such things so as not to smear your brothers in Christ.

    Gods salvation is not based on a covenant but by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8). This does not require God to make a covenant to save people, Jew or Gentile. It’s interesting that the words “grace” and “faith” occur together only in the writings of Paul. Look it up. Have you ever noticed that the word “grace” that is so vitally important to us believers today appears in only two of the four “Gospels”? That Matthew and Mark never even use the word once! That Paul uses this word ninety-one times in eighty-five different verses! Look it up.

    Kelly Powers claims that the main doctrines of Hyper-Dispensationalism concerning the New Covenant are as follows.
    Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:
    >> The Bible is written for us but not all of it is for us, that is the body of Christ only is to follow what the Apostle Paul taught in his Epistles for doctrine and practice.

    Jeff says:
    Did you intentionally misrepresent what Mid-Acts teaches or are you just sloppy with your work? Either way it’s a bit shameful for someone who claims to speak the truth.

    What Mid-Acts actually teaches is (and the distinction is critical):
    The Bible is ALL written FOR us, but it is NOT all written TO us.

    Do believe that every command is scripture is for YOUR obedience? Do you follow the Law of Moses? Do you travel to Jerusalem for the feast days every year? Have you sold all of your possessions? Why not? Apparently you agree with Mid-Acts teaching on this subject.

    Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:
    >> Paul was the first Christian and the body of Christ (Christian Church) started with his conversion.

    Jeff says:
    The church which is His body (Ephesians 1:22-23), the body of Christ is never mentioned in scripture until Paul. I know that you ignore this as you do many similar things, but that is the truth. Nowhere else will you find this analogy being made by anyone else (please show it if you think it’s somewhere else).
    In scripture, Paul claims to be the prototype “for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.” (1st Timothy 1:16). But you seem to reject this scripture. I would ask on what grounds to you deem this scripture invalid?

    Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:
    >> The Gospels are not for the body of Christ but are for the nation of Israel.

    Jeff says:
    The “Gospels” are primarily the record the of ministry of Jesus Christ to Israel. Jesus made this clear on many occasions (which, again, it seems that you simply ignore).

    These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    (Mat 10:5-6 KJV)

    When Jesus was approached by a “woman of Canaan” (a Gentile), what was His response?
    “But he answered her not a word…” (Matthew 15:23).

    Why? He tells why in the very next verse:
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    (Mat 15:24 KJV)

    Clearly there is some bias here toward the people of Israel on Gods part. This does not mean that there is no possibility of salvation of Gentiles. But to be one of Gods people during the dispensation of the Law meant that a Gentile had to be joined with Israel. Otherwise they were on the outside:

    Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    (Eph 2:11-13 KJV)

    Or is this another unapproved Mid-Acts scripture in your opinion?

    Paul confirmed the nature of Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry as well:
    Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
    (Rom 15:8 KJV)

    Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:

    >> Jesus only came to save the nation of Israel and His teachings were faith plus works for salvation, and the New Covenant was only for the nation of Israel and the body of Christ is not in the New Covenant.
    Jeff says:
    I have already addresses some of this above, but I would like to point out that the declaration by God in Jeremiah 31:31-33 could not be more clear that this “New Covenant” is with Israel (and Judah).
    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    (Jer 31:31-33 KJV)

    You can make any claim that you want about this, but the scripture is perfectly crystal clear. This New Covenant is a replacement for the Old Covenant, which you know very well was with Israel.
    The writer of Hebrews quotes this passage exactly, including that fact that this prophesy of the New Covenant is with Israel.

    It’s interesting that you mentioned the fact that a covenant is an agreement between two parties. You may want to note that Israel has NOT agreed to this New Covenant as they did with the Old Covenant (Exodus 24:3 & 8). Instead Israel rejected it (Acts 1-7). God has definitely offered, as scripture says in Hebrews 8:6 (it has been established but not ratified).

    If you’ll also notice in Jeremiah 31:34 we read about a manifestation that occurs in the New Covenant:
    And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
    (Jer 31:34 KJV)

    Do “they teach no more every man his neighbor” now? Do “they all know me” today? No, they do not.

    Conclusion

    Kelly said:

    If a person has not come to accept Jesus Christ being the only atoning sacrifice for our sins and is in covenant with God, that is in agreement with God’s provision for dealing with mankind’s sins than they are truly not of Him.
    Jeff says:

    I guess Kelly is condemning many to hell. Please show me where a covenant relationship is a requirement for salvation. That is simply a lie and is not found in the pages of scripture.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    (Eph 2:8-9 KJV)

    The Bible says “by grace through faith”.

    But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    (Eph 2:13 KJV)

    It says that we are “made nigh by the blood of Christ”, not by a covenant or covenant relationship.

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
    (Rom 3:23-26 KJV)

    Again we see salvation in Christ Jesus “through faith in His blood” and that He is “the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus”. No covenant required.

    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
    (Rom 5:10-11 KJV)

    Again, reconciled and saved without the mention of a covenant.

    Best regard and I hope to hear back from you,
    Jeff

    Posted by Jeff | November 18, 2012, 6:16 PM
  2. Hello Jeff. I will post what you said I said with your comments, and then give a reply to that and show how far stretched your accusations are and what I have shared is accurate.

    Quote: Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:
    >> The Bible is written for us but not all of it is for us, that is the body of Christ only is to follow what the Apostle Paul taught in his Epistles for doctrine and practice.

    Jeff says:
    Did you intentionally misrepresent what Mid-Acts teaches or are you just sloppy with your work? Either way it’s a bit shameful for someone who claims to speak the truth.

    What Mid-Acts actually teaches is (and the distinction is critical):
    The Bible is ALL written FOR us, but it is NOT all written TO us.

    Do believe that every command is scripture is for YOUR obedience? Do you follow the Law of Moses? Do you travel to Jerusalem for the feast days every year? Have you sold all of your possessions? Why not? Apparently you agree with Mid-Acts teaching on this subject.

    My reply: Jeff as we have briefly discussed on another page you are proving what I have shared to be accurate and yet accusing me of things in error. You know full well you do not get any of your doctrine from any other books written besides Paul. That is the point of what I shared, and you as a Mid Acts follower know that to be true by your silly statements. Of course there are things that born again Christians do not hold to anymore such as things of the Old Testament priestly sacrifices and rituals. However we still obey the commandments, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc. Or are you saying it is ok now to commit those things? Surely not! There are many things that we can learn from and find in doctrinal practice from all of the Scriptures, but Mid Acts folks hold to Paul’s teachings for doctrine and practice. Which even Paul warned against in 1 Corinthians 1:10-17 on those whom were clinging to Paul.

    Quote: Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:
    >> Paul was the first Christian and the body of Christ (Christian Church) started with his conversion.

    Jeff says:
    The church which is His body (Ephesians 1:22-23), the body of Christ is never mentioned in scripture until Paul. I know that you ignore this as you do many similar things, but that is the truth. Nowhere else will you find this analogy being made by anyone else (please show it if you think it’s somewhere else).
    In scripture, Paul claims to be the prototype “for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.” (1st Timothy 1:16). But you seem to reject this scripture. I would ask on what grounds to you deem this scripture invalid?

    My reply: That is some fascinating stuff Jeff… Where is the word Trinity found in the New Testament? Where in the Old Testament? Oh no, it must not be true either, right? How silly is that reasoning. Just because the words “body of Christ” is not found before Paul does not mean that truth existed. What is the body of Christ? All those whom are followers of Jesus Christ, blood bought, born again, a new creation in Jesus Christ, the church!

    Check this out:

    “18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18 KJ)

    “41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” (Acts 2 KJ)

    Here we have Jesus stating in reference to Peter that he would be used to help build His church (body of Christ) and that Peter did that very thing! So the body of Christ was in operation in the very beginning stages in the book of Acts, before Paul! Here is another thing. The disciples received the Holy Spirit prior to Pentecost from Jesus in John 20:22 and thus that is when they became spiritually born again, followers of Jesus Christ, a new creation. And from that we see the church being established. Of course Paul had a huge part in what he did in serving Jesus Christ, but the body of Christ (the church) existed before Paul’s conversion, as I stated, which you showed to be accurate in what I shared.

    Quote: Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:
    >> The Gospels are not for the body of Christ but are for the nation of Israel.

    Jeff says:
    The “Gospels” are primarily the record the of ministry of Jesus Christ to Israel. Jesus made this clear on many occasions (which, again, it seems that you simply ignore).

    These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    (Mat 10:5-6 KJV)

    When Jesus was approached by a “woman of Canaan” (a Gentile), what was His response?
    “But he answered her not a word…” (Matthew 15:23).

    Why? He tells why in the very next verse:
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    (Mat 15:24 KJV)

    Clearly there is some bias here toward the people of Israel on Gods part. This does not mean that there is no possibility of salvation of Gentiles. But to be one of Gods people during the dispensation of the Law meant that a Gentile had to be joined with Israel. Otherwise they were on the outside:

    Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    (Eph 2:11-13 KJV)

    Or is this another unapproved Mid-Acts scripture in your opinion?

    Paul confirmed the nature of Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry as well:
    Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
    (Rom 15:8 KJV)

    My reply: We see in numerous places that Jesus came to Israel, yes, but only Israel, but also for the Gentiles, thus the world! Check this out from my article.

    “1 Behold My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect, in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit on Him; He shall bring out judgment to the nations…6 I Jehovah have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand, and will keep You, and give You for a covenant of the people, for a Light of the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1&6 MKJV)

    This is prophecy of the coming Messiah who would bring judgment for the nations, that is the Gentiles. This prophecy speaks of the Servant, which is referring to the suffering Messiah as Isaiah 53:1-12 teaches. Jesus spoke of coming for the whole world in John 3:16, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” Jesus spoke of Him coming for the nation of Israel in Matthew 15, but Jesus also spoke of His coming for the Gentiles to trust in Him as well in the Gospel of Matthew.

    “18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. 21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.” (Matthew 12:18-21 KJV)

    Jesus spoke this directly from the prophecy in Isaiah 42 and was referring this to Himself. Jesus was teaching that He came also for the Gentiles to trust in Him. The Bible teaches that Jesus the Messiah came for the nation of Israel, the Gentiles, that is Jesus came to give His life for the whole world. Jesus giving His life as an atoning sacrifice is what established the New Covenant for anyone to trust in Him for salvation.

    Not only this but we see in each of the gospels the following, pay attention.

    “19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen” (Matthew 28 KJ)

    “15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” (Mark 16:15)

    “44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.” (Luke 24 KJ)

    “29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” (John 20 KJ)

    Here is more to chew on from my article “Which Books are for Christians”:

    “9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:9-13)

    Jesus did come for the nation of Israel, that is true. However, Jesus did not come only for the Jews, but for the whole world, all nations, and His death and resurrection is available for any person to receive eternal life from.

    “14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:14-18)

    It is very clear here that Jesus is teaching that anyone can receive eternal life by believing in Him, and they will not be condemned but saved. This shows that Jesus was not sent for only the Jews, but for the whole world. Understanding that Jesus was first sent to the nation of Israel is very crucial. Salvation is of the Jews as Jesus said in John 4:22, and that means that it is through Israel that God has revealed Himself to mankind and all those who come to accept this can be saved and know the true God of all. In the Old Testament Gentiles were accepted if they turned from their ways and accepted the truth that has been revealed, and in the New Covenant God has established His love for mankind by sending a Savior to deliver them from their sins, and anyone who would trust in Jesus would receive eternal life.

    What about the Epistles of Peter? It is true that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, but Paul was not only for the Gentiles. Paul went to both Jews and Gentiles to share Jesus Christ with them. Paul focused more on sharing with the Gentiles than the other Apostles, but that does not mean that the other Apostles did not minister to the Gentiles. Peter preached to Cornelius in Acts 10:1-48 and they received the gospel message and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter in Acts 15:7-11 taught that the Gentiles were saved by faith without works just like they were, that is just like the Jews who trusted in Jesus. The writings of James, Peter, and John have application for the body of Christ, and those who teach they do not are twisting the Scriptures to fit their theology which in essence is to their own destruction.

    Peter warned about those who were misusing Paul’s writings:

    “15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.” (2 Peter 3:15-18)

    A few things stick out from these verses. One is that Peter addresses that Paul had written to these same people in which Peter is writing to, which shows that Peter was not writing only to Jews, but to Gentiles as well. Secondly, Peter states there are those who read Paul’s writings and distort (wrest) them and this applies very much to those who are of the Mid-Acts Dispensationalism theology. Thirdly, Peter states a warning to be careful of following those who distort the writings of Paul. Fourthly, Peter states in closing to those whom he is writing to “grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ”, which shows that Peter understood the grace of the Lord and was encouraging others to grow in it.

    What about James? What about John? It is true that James in his Epistle was writing to Jewish Christians that are scattered abroad, but to say that it only applies to Jewish Christians is as true as saying what Paul wrote is only for Gentile Christians and not the Jewish Christians. Paul wrote to Christians in specific places such as Galatia, Colossae, Philippi, Corinth, Rome, Ephesus, and to say that what James wrote is only for those which he wrote to who were scattered would be the same as saying what Paul wrote was only for those in those cities and no one else. In other words Mid-Acts Dispensationalism theology is wrong because they are reading into Scriptures things that are not really being implied. John’s writings definitely have application to both Jewish and Gentile Christians.

    In 1 John 5:10-13 makes that very clear:

    “10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.” (1 John 5:10-13)

    This is in general terms meaning this applies to anyone and it is clear that is the context of what John wrote. The Bible is clear that certain books are written to certain people, but the teachings and application can be for anyone who is truly of God. The Gospels have different things that are in them, but the same truth is there concerning the identity of Jesus, what He taught, and what He did for mankind. The book of Acts is a written account of various things that the early Church went through with persecutions, miracles, preaching Jesus, and people’s lives being touched. The Epistles of Paul are written to Christians in various places and Paul brings clarity on many doctrinal issues. The Epistles of James, Peter, and John are written to Christians, and in them they write things of encouragement, sound theology, and points them in the right spiritual direction. The New Testament is a unit of completion concerning the coming of the Messiah, that is Christ Jesus the Lord. Those who say certain books are not for us today are teaching things in error. We must read things in context and examine what was being said, when, why, where, for who, and how it applies to us. Mid-Acts Dispensationalists have a distorted view of reading the Scriptures, and in many places they read things into the text and in many places are taking things out of context.

    Case proven…

    Quote: Kelly says that Mid-Acts teaches this:

    >> Jesus only came to save the nation of Israel and His teachings were faith plus works for salvation, and the New Covenant was only for the nation of Israel and the body of Christ is not in the New Covenant.
    Jeff says:
    I have already addresses some of this above, but I would like to point out that the declaration by God in Jeremiah 31:31-33 could not be more clear that this “New Covenant” is with Israel (and Judah).
    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    (Jer 31:31-33 KJV)

    You can make any claim that you want about this, but the scripture is perfectly crystal clear. This New Covenant is a replacement for the Old Covenant, which you know very well was with Israel.
    The writer of Hebrews quotes this passage exactly, including that fact that this prophesy of the New Covenant is with Israel.

    It’s interesting that you mentioned the fact that a covenant is an agreement between two parties. You may want to note that Israel has NOT agreed to this New Covenant as they did with the Old Covenant (Exodus 24:3 & 8). Instead Israel rejected it (Acts 1-7). God has definitely offered, as scripture says in Hebrews 8:6 (it has been established but not ratified).

    If you’ll also notice in Jeremiah 31:34 we read about a manifestation that occurs in the New Covenant:
    And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
    (Jer 31:34 KJV)

    Do “they teach no more every man his neighbor” now? Do “they all know me” today? No, they do not.

    Conclusion

    My reply: Again, you have been proving my point over and over on what Mid Acts folks believe. You have shown this with each of your replies. Again, here is the issues that Mid Acts folks need to realize.

    From this article:

    “1 Behold My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect, in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit on Him; He shall bring out judgment to the nations…6 I Jehovah have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand, and will keep You, and give You for a covenant of the people, for a Light of the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1&6 MKJV)

    This is prophecy of the coming Messiah who would bring judgment for the nations, that is the Gentiles. This prophecy speaks of the Servant, which is referring to the suffering Messiah as Isaiah 53:1-12 teaches. Jesus spoke of coming for the whole world in John 3:16, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” Jesus spoke of Him coming for the nation of Israel in Matthew 15, but Jesus also spoke of His coming for the Gentiles to trust in Him as well in the Gospel of Matthew.

    “18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. 21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.” (Matthew 12:18-21 KJV)

    Jesus spoke this directly from the prophecy in Isaiah 42 and was referring this to Himself. Jesus was teaching that He came also for the Gentiles to trust in Him. The Bible teaches that Jesus the Messiah came for the nation of Israel, the Gentiles, that is Jesus came to give His life for the whole world. Jesus giving His life as an atoning sacrifice is what established the New Covenant for anyone to trust in Him for salvation.

    Paul taught that the sacrifice Jesus was “prophesied for both Jews and Gentiles.”

    Hyper-Dispensationalism teaches that only Paul spoke of the cross being atonement for sins for all people, and that is just not true. Paul shared what was already spoken of by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to God’s prophets.

    “2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.)” (2 Corinthians 6:2 KJV)

    “8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages.” (Isaiah 49:8 KJV)

    These two Scriptures go together in fulfillment for all people to look to God for salvation, and that was done through the work of Jesus Christ from what Paul is teaching. Paul is quoting Isaiah 49:8 which was a covenant for salvation for all people.

    “6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6 MKJV)

    Paul speaks of the “new testament” which is literally the “New Covenant” in which the work of the cross has established for all people. Throughout Paul’s writings he speaks of salvation being of the heart, not of works or the flesh. Paul in writing to Gentile Christians in Corinth speaks of “us” as being the body of Christ being able ministers in the “New Covenant.”

    Paul in Epistle to the Romans speaks of prophets foretelling salvation being able to the Gentiles. If Hyper-Dispensationalism would examine closely the teachings of Paul they would see the truth is that the coming of the Messiah was for both the Jews and the Gentiles.

    “23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in O see, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.” (Romans 9:23-25 KJV)

    “23 And I will sow her to Me in the earth. And I will have mercy on No-mercy. And I will say to Not-my-people, You are My people. And they shall say, My God.” (Hosea 2:23 MKJV)

    It is clear that Paul acknowledged that the prophets spoke of this salvation for both Jews and the Gentiles. Jesus came not only for the Jews but also for the Gentiles.

    “19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses says, “I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.” 20 But Isaiah is very bold and says, “I was found by those who did not seek Me, I became known to those who did not ask after Me.” 21 But to Israel He says, “All day long I have stretched forth My hands to a disobeying and gainsaying people.” (Romans 10:19-21 MKJV)

    “1 I am sought by those who asked not for Me; I am found by those who did not seek Me. I said, Behold Me, behold Me, to a nation not calling on My name. 2 I have spread out My hands all the day to a rebellious people who walk in the way not good, after their own thoughts.” (Isaiah 65:1-2 MKJV)

    It is true that Jesus came for the house of Israel, the Jews. But prophecy spoke in advance that God was not only giving this salvation only for the Jews but also for the Gentiles. Paul acknowledges that God not only was reaching out to the Jews but also to those who were Gentiles, and to those who were not looking for Him. We read in the New Testament that after Christ was raised the commandment was given to go to all nations, and reading in the book of Acts the message of Jesus Christ crucified, raised, and all who trust in Him will be saved from the sins.

    “44 And He said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and in the Psalms about Me. 45 And He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures. 46 And He said to them, So it is written, and so it behoved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be proclaimed in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:44-47 MKJV)

    Jesus spoke of His death and resurrection many times to His disciples, but they did not understand this until He was raised from the dead. Jesus told them to go to all nations and they did. The message for salvation is for all people. Jesus said that these things were written in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and Psalms, which shows that this message was spoken of before the Apostle Paul. It is true that Paul clarified and expounded on many things, but it is not true that it was only Paul who spoke of salvation for the Gentiles.

    This information has shown that God made a way for both the Jews and the Gentiles to be saved from their sins through the work of Jesus Christ. The Apostle Paul teaches that this New Covenant is for both the Jews and the Gentiles, for those who are in the body of Christ. Paul in writing to the Corinthians spoke of partaking of the Lord’s Supper.

    “25 After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.” (1 Corinthians 11:25 KJV)

    Paul writing to Gentile Christians spoke of them partaking of the Lord’s Supper, which was done in remembrance of Christ’s shed blood for the New Covenant. If the New Covenant was only for the Jews why is Paul not rebuking the Corinthians for partaking of this covenant ordinance that is not for them? Reading the context of the passage Paul is teaching them on how to partake of it properly, which shows Paul did not teach that the body of Christ was not a part of the New Covenant.

    As Christians, we do have the Holy Spirit, we do not have any priest we go to or prophets. Thus as Jesus taught in John 14-16 in regards to the Spirit fulfilling John 6:45 and Jeremiah 31:34. We see Paul speaking about the Holy Spirit helping us with with discernment and various gifts, 1 Corinthians 12-14, Romans 12:1-3.

    Quote: Kelly said:

    If a person has not come to accept Jesus Christ being the only atoning sacrifice for our sins and is in covenant with God, that is in agreement with God’s provision for dealing with mankind’s sins than they are truly not of Him.
    Jeff says:

    I guess Kelly is condemning many to hell. Please show me where a covenant relationship is a requirement for salvation. That is simply a lie and is not found in the pages of scripture.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    (Eph 2:8-9 KJV)

    The Bible says “by grace through faith”.

    But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    (Eph 2:13 KJV)

    It says that we are “made nigh by the blood of Christ”, not by a covenant or covenant relationship.

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
    (Rom 3:23-26 KJV)

    Again we see salvation in Christ Jesus “through faith in His blood” and that He is “the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus”. No covenant required.

    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
    (Rom 5:10-11 KJV)

    Again, reconciled and saved without the mention of a covenant.

    My reply: Jeff, as I have shown, Jesus came not only for Israel (the Jews) but also for Gentiles, and Jesus did this through the work of the cross and resurrection, as the Scriptures state in reference to the New Covenant and how Jesus has brought reconciliation for the world. Jeff the sentence before your quote of me gives clarification to what I stated: “Those who teach that the body of Christ is not in the New Covenant through the atoning shed blood of Jesus Christ are themselves in deception. If a person has not come to accept Jesus Christ being the only atoning sacrifice for our sins and is in covenant with God, that is in agreement with God’s provision for dealing with mankind’s sins than they are truly not of Him.” So, you are one of those whom rejects the consistency of God’s Word concerning the work of the cross and resurrection and how Jesus shed His blood establishing the New Covenant. So if you truly hold to what you have stated than you are not born again, saved, a genuine follower of Jesus Christ. I am not your judge, but I can judge things based upon a person’s views concerning Jesus Christ, the Gospel, and the Scriptures. As it stands, you are the same kind of Mid Acts person that this article addresses, which I have shown is accurate concerning what was shared. My hope is that you take a breath, read though the Scriptures, open up your mind to God’s Word and not follow what men’s traditions have taught you. Though you believe I am the one caught up in man’s traditions, but that has been shown to be accusations and not accurate.

    Jeff as you have shared on the page the same things and continue to prove my points over and over, yet you continue to claim to be right, I would suggest that this dialogue take a break. Unless you can show what I have shared is inaccurate from God’s Word, I hope you will consider the things shared and that you turn to Jesus and follow Him and become born again.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | November 18, 2012, 9:53 PM
  3. Kelly, it is impossible to communication with you because you are completely illogical.

    As I said ALL OF THE BIBLE IS FOR US.

    You keep making false accusations that I somehow IGNORE every book but Paul’s. Shame on you. Of course murder is still wrong. It was wrong before it was illegal. I don’t need the law to know this.

    I mentioned that only Paul teaches the concept of “the body of Christ”. NOT the WORDS IN THAT ORDER. I know that he the word “Trinity” is NOT in the Bible, but the CONCEPT is. No one else teaches the CONCEPT of the body of Christ.

    If you can’t put logical ideas together, there is no sense trying to enlighten you. God knows that I’ve tried.

    Posted by Jeff | November 19, 2012, 7:37 AM
  4. Jeff. I am not illogical, I have been straight forward in my responses to you, I believe I have been considerate and respectful, giving clarification for my thoughts from the Scriptures in context.

    You can say “ALL OF THE BIBLE IS FOR US” all day long, but you know full well when it comes to doctrine and practice for the body of Christ that you don’t get that from any other source than Paul, or you simply are not a Mid Acts follower.

    As to the body of Christ thing, I gave a detailed reply to you and you still want to go on believing as you wish, so be it. I would guess that since the other apostles such as James, Peter, John, did not mention the gifts of the Spirit that they did not teach anything on that either right? So since we Paul is the only one using the terms “body of Christ” in his epistles, that must mean exactly what you said, right? Nope…

    I realize that to you, this is illogical, but that is because of the way you read the Scriptures, for there is no other way to it. I know that you think you were trying to enlighten me and that you say you tried, but the problem is that you are seeing it from your Mid Acts glasses view, and you don’t see clearly. Thus you don’t accept what I have shared.

    I have allowed you to post things here and give your thoughts, reasonings, and questions. I do thank you for coming here and I thank you for dialogue, but as I have shared previously and how you have replied, our dialogue is coming to the end. I do hope you do consider what I have shared more, take care.

    15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. (2 Peter 3 KJ)

    Posted by Kelly Powers | November 19, 2012, 8:25 AM
  5. I wrote to you in 2007 the following:

    Dear Brother Kelly-

    I just read an article on your site and I wanted to respond with a “huh”? I am a mid-Acts dispensationalist and I was surprised at some of the statements made. I will handle a few of the topics from one section as follows:

    Mid Acts Dispensationalists beliefs?

    There are many things concerning Mid Acts Dispensational beliefs and the following information will be the basic doctrines of those who identify themselves as Mid Acts Dispensational believers and things to be concerned about.

    They believe that the only true authorized English version of the Bible is the King James Bible.
    I replied: This is not confined to mid-Acts dispensationalists. We have our share, but our pastor uses the NKJV, I use the KJV as well as the New Translation and my wife uses the NASV. I’ve always had a problem with KJV only’s ever since I was involved in foreign missions.

    They believe that the books written by the Apostle Paul are solely for the body of Christ to live by and for doctrine.
    I replied: Actually I think we believe that Paul’s revelation is to Jew and Gentile alike based on Rom. 11:11-14 & Gal. 3:22. Every mid-Acts believer I know believes that 2 Tim. 3:16 means more than Romans through Hebrews and that we see God’s “principles” displayed in more places than your statement accuses us of. You say that “Those of this movement word it this way, ‘All of the Bible is for us but not all of the Bible is written to us.’, but may I ask when last you required circumcision of your adherents or an animal sacrifice or much of the ceremonial law? Have you turned all your wealth over to the church as they did in the early Acts?

    They believe that the books of Paul are the only books that teach salvation is by grace through faith in Christ for salvation.
    I replied: Guilty. Tell me where you find that the cross is a glorious means of salvation apart from Paul’s epistles?

    They believe that all other books of the Bible other than the ones Paul wrote are for the Jews and Jewish Christians.
    I replied: Already answered above. All the books of the Bible are for the Body of Christ, but some are specifically to the Body. No other apostle says he is specifically sent to the Body of Christ save Paul (Rom. 11:13) Peter’s ministry to Cornelius was certainly a one time deal and even then look at what he preached. Is that your message of salvation?

    They believe that they are to follow Paul, for Paul was the first one to preach the true gospel message for salvation in Christ by faith alone.
    I replied: Guilty. Isn’t this the case? What did Christ tell them about the law – Matt. 23:1-3 OBEY IT!! He commanded animal sacrifices and temple worship, which they did.

    They believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer for today.
    I replied: If the sign gifts are occurring today then why was Timothy an Epaphroditus sick and Paul unable to heal them. Do you doubt his apostleship?

    They believe the body of Christ is not to be partaking of the Lord’s Supper because that was for the Jewish Christians and is yet for the future with God’s earthly kingdom.
    I replied: This is not true. Just as the Lord “delivered” the gospel, so He “delivered” the Supper. See the wording 1 Cor 11 & 15.

    They separate Jewish Christians from the body of Christ and make them two different groups.
    I replied: Nope. See Gal. 3:26-28

    They teach that Jewish Christians and believers from the Old Testament will be reigning on the earth through God’s kingdom program and the body of Christ will be living forever in heaven.
    I replied: Okay, but what’s the big deal here? Isn’t Christ omnipresent?

    There are some who teach that if you do not hold to these teachings (Mid Acts Beliefs) you truly are not a Christian and have been deceived through Satan’s lies.
    I replied: Huh. I suppose that could be the case, but a citation would be helpful here. You’re kind of non-specific on these last two or three. If this were a court these would be thrown out.

    You did not respond

    In 2010 I sent:

    Subject: Which Books are for Christians, the body of Christ of God?

    Dear Mr. Powers-

    I was reading the subject article and noted some matters that I would like to comment upon and ask your consideration in revising. You write the following:

    1) The 4 Gospels, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1 & 2 & 3 John and the book of Revelation are considered to be only for the nation of Israel.
    I replied: To which I quote the words of a leading mid-Acts dispensationalist and the words I see as logical and true as it relates to intelligent Bible study. “…all the Bible is for us, but it is not all addressed to us or written about us, and if we would really understand and enjoy it; if we would really know how to use it effectively in service for Christ, we must be careful always to note who is addressing whom, about what and when and why.” (Things That Differ, Cornelius R. Stam, 1951) This is the “literal” way to approach Scripture.

    2) The body of Christ began with the Apostle Paul, both Jews and Gentiles. The only true English Bible is the Authorized King James Bible, all others are corrupted.
    I replied: This is true of some just like it’s true of Acts 2 believers; however, Biblion Bible College & Seminary of Silverton, OR has been teaching their students to teach from the original languages for decades and they are mid-Acts.

    3) You contend that mid-Acts dispensationalism does not allow for non-Jewish conversion during the gospels. I replied: This is not true. There are two examples of Gentiles receiving the blessings of Christ’s earthly ministry and they are the centurion (Matt. 8:5-13) and the woman at the well (John 6:6-13). Otherwise the commission to the disciples was to the Jew only per Matthew 10:5-10 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. Further the purpose of Christ’s earthly ministry is summed up as follows: Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers (Rom. 15:8) So from the above references it is succinctly clear that the blessing of the world was through Israel (even for proselytes (Exod. 12:43; Num. 15:14-16)) and in Acts 1-8 we see that Israel refused to take up that stewardship. Even at Pentecost we see the strangers standing by awaiting the restoration of Israel and the end of the Times of the Gentiles.

    4) Peter did witness to Cornelius, but as rehearsed in the council of Acts 15 he apologized to the circumcision for that activity and even though the commission of Matt. 28 says that the whole world was to be baptized and discipled, he “doubted”. I say he doubted with good reason, because the restitution of Israel was still God’s plan and Peter had preached it while full of the promise of the Holy Spirit.

    I ask you prayerfully to either revise your post to be accurate or to remove it and some of the material on your page on “hyper-dispensationalism”.

    You did not reply.

    Posted by glen | November 21, 2012, 12:20 PM
  6. PAUL’S exhortation to the younger preacher, Timothy, has come home to many with great power in recent years. As a result, there has been a return to more ancient methods of Bible study, which had been largely neglected during the centuries of the Church’s drift from apostolic testimony. Augustine’s words have had a re-affirmation: “Distinguish the ages, and the Scriptures are plain.” And so there has been great emphasis put in many quarters, and rightly so, upon the study of what is commonly known as “dispensational” truth. This line of teaching, if kept within Scriptural bounds, cannot but prove a great blessing to the humble student of the Word of God who desires to know His will or plan in His dealings with men from creation to the coming glory. – Harry Ironside

    Sounds a lot like Stam’s advice

    Posted by glen | November 21, 2012, 12:22 PM
  7. Hello Glen. I do not recall your emails to us back in 2007 or 2010, I am sorry that did not get a reply. I will give you a reply shortly. As to your quote of Harry Ironside, that was a quote from “Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth”. Here is another quote from that:

    HERE is perhaps nothing about which the ultradispensationalists are more certain, according to their own expressions, than that the book of the Acts covers a transitional period, coming in between the age of the law and the present age in which the dispensation of the mystery has been revealed. They do not always agree as to the name of this intervening period. Some call it the Kingdom Church; others the Jewish Church; and there are those who prefer the term Pentecostal Dispensation. The general teaching is about as follows: It is affirmed that the coming of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost and His baptizing the one hundred and twenty and those who afterwards believed, did not have anything to do with the formation of the Church, the Body of Christ. On the contrary, they insist that the Church throughout all of the book of Acts up to Paul’s imprisonment was of an altogether lower order than that of the Epistle to the Ephesians. Assemblies in Judea, Samaria, and the various Gentile countries, were simply groups of believers who were waiting for the manifestation of the kingdom, and had not yet come into the full liberty of grace. The ordinances of the Lord’s Supper and of baptism were linked with these companies and were to continue only until Israel had definitely and finally refused the Gospel message, after which the full revelation of the mystery is supposed to have been given to the apostle Paul when he was imprisoned at Rome. From that time on a new dispensation began. Surely this is wrongly confounding the Word of Truth. How any rational and spiritually-minded person could ever come to such a conclusion after a careful reading of the book of Acts, and with it the various epistles addressed to the churches and peoples mentioned in that book, is more than some of us can comprehend. (Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth)

    Glen in fact that wrote article which he wrote shows how Mid Acts Dispensationalism is in Scriptural error with their doctrinal beliefs. For those whom read this check out the link and see what Harry Ironside had to say concerning “Ultra-Dispensationalism” which encompasses the Mid Acts view as well. Click “Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth”

    As to your 2007 comments I will try to get to that soon, thanks for sharing your comments.

    Kelly

    Posted by Kelly Powers | November 21, 2012, 12:52 PM
  8. Hello Glen, I am thankful that you have been patient with me giving a reply. Again, I do not remember getting your emails from the past, to that I am sorry, not sure why not. In any case I will give a reply to things you have shared.

    Quote: They believe that the only true authorized English version of the Bible is the King James Bible.
    I replied: This is not confined to mid-Acts dispensationalists. We have our share, but our pastor uses the NKJV, I use the KJV as well as the New Translation and my wife uses the NASV. I’ve always had a problem with KJV only’s ever since I was involved in foreign missions.

    Glen, great to hear. Not sure if you read what you wrote, cause I did not say “They” but I said “Many believe that the only….” I did not say all, I said many. I even said that I know of some that did use other translations than the KJ. In my personal experiences they have all been pretty much KJ only folks.

    Here is what I said again: Many believe that the only true authorized English version of the Bible is the King James Bible. That means they believe that all other English translations either have translational errors or theological errors because of how they view the King James Bible. The problem with this is that there are various King James editions and most of them do not know which one they are clinging to or which one is the most accurate. Majority of those in this movement seem to give the opinion that those who do not use the King James are being corrupted with false doctrines and being led astray by the devil. (There are some who prefer other English Translations)

    Quote: They believe that the books written by the Apostle Paul are solely for the body of Christ to live by and for doctrine.
    I replied: Actually I think we believe that Paul’s revelation is to Jew and Gentile alike based on Rom. 11:11-14 & Gal. 3:22. Every mid-Acts believer I know believes that 2 Tim. 3:16 means more than Romans through Hebrews and that we see God’s “principles” displayed in more places than your statement accuses us of. You say that “Those of this movement word it this way, ‘All of the Bible is for us but not all of the Bible is written to us.’, but may I ask when last you required circumcision of your adherents or an animal sacrifice or much of the ceremonial law? Have you turned all your wealth over to the church as they did in the early Acts?

    As I have shared in my articles and various replies that Mid Acts gets their doctrine solely from Paul since he is believed to be the one whom received the grace message while the other apostles did not. As I have share information can be learned from other books, but when it comes to the body of Christ their instructions are to be followed from what Paul taught, not the other apostles or prophets.

    Quote: They believe that the books of Paul are the only books that teach salvation is by grace through faith in Christ for salvation.
    I replied: Guilty. Tell me where you find that the cross is a glorious means of salvation apart from Paul’s epistles?

    Here are some: John 1:9-13 & 17, John 3:14-18, Luke 24:44-47 with 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Acts 10:43-48, Acts 15:7-11, 2 Timothy 3:14-17, 1 Peter 1:3-12 & 18-21, 1 Peter 2:21-26, 1 John 1:7-2:2, 1 John 5:10-13 & 1 John 5:20

    Quote: They believe that all other books of the Bible other than the ones Paul wrote are for the Jews and Jewish Christians.
    I replied: Already answered above. All the books of the Bible are for the Body of Christ, but some are specifically to the Body. No other apostle says he is specifically sent to the Body of Christ save Paul (Rom. 11:13) Peter’s ministry to Cornelius was certainly a one time deal and even then look at what he preached. Is that your message of salvation?

    Luke 24:44-47 with 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 15:1-4, 2 Timothy 3:14-17, 2 Peter 3:15-18

    Quote: They believe that they are to follow Paul, for Paul was the first one to preach the true gospel message for salvation in Christ by faith alone.
    I replied: Guilty. Isn’t this the case? What did Christ tell them about the law – Matt. 23:1-3 OBEY IT!! He commanded animal sacrifices and temple worship, which they did.

    John 1:9-1 & 17, John 3:14-18, Luke 24:44-47 with 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Acts 10:43-48, Acts 15:7-11, 2 Timothy 3:14-17, 1 Peter 1:3-12 & 18-21, 1 Peter 2:21-26, 1 John 1:7-2:2, 1 John 5:10-13 & 1 John 5:20

    Quote: They believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer for today.
    I replied: If the sign gifts are occurring today then why was Timothy an Epaphroditus sick and Paul unable to heal them. Do you doubt his apostleship?

    There is nothing in the Scriptures that teach God’s gifts for the body of Christ have ceased. With that being said with Paul, why was Paul able to there but in other situations able to do the miraculous? Did Paul fail? No Paul did not, at least from what we know. However, God works in God’s ways, and at times people do not get healed or better for God’s reasons. Remember in 2 Corinthians 12:7-9.

    Quote: They believe the body of Christ is not to be partaking of the Lord’s Supper because that was for the Jewish Christians and is yet for the future with God’s earthly kingdom. I replied: This is not true. Just as the Lord “delivered” the gospel, so He “delivered” the Supper. See the wording 1 Cor 11 & 15.

    Ok?

    Quote: They separate Jewish Christians from the body of Christ and make them two different groups.
    I replied: Nope. See Gal. 3:26-28

    They teach that Jewish Christians and believers from the Old Testament will be reigning on the earth through God’s kingdom program and the body of Christ will be living forever in heaven.
    I replied: Okay, but what’s the big deal here? Isn’t Christ omnipresent?

    Um, yep. Unless you are different you as a Mid Acts follower believe that Paul preached the gospel of grace to Jews and Gentiles where their future hope was heaven, while the other original apostles were to preach only to the Jews where their future hope was on a glorified earth.

    Quote: There are some who teach that if you do not hold to these teachings (Mid Acts Beliefs) you truly are not a Christian and have been deceived through Satan’s lies.
    I replied: Huh. I suppose that could be the case, but a citation would be helpful here. You’re kind of non-specific on these last two or three. If this were a court these would be thrown out.

    As I have shared, some, which was in the case those whom I have come in contact in Paltalk and from talking with them first hand. As I shared in another post I will share here with those I was in reference to at that time.

    Terry McLean with discerningthetimespushing.com
    Don Cote with right divider.org (no longer online)
    Mark Mumma with midactsdispensationalism.com
    Jim Brackin trustingthelord.com/About.html

    Quote: 1) The 4 Gospels, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1 & 2 & 3 John and the book of Revelation are considered to be only for the nation of Israel.
    I replied: To which I quote the words of a leading mid-Acts dispensationalist and the words I see as logical and true as it relates to intelligent Bible study. “…all the Bible is for us, but it is not all addressed to us or written about us, and if we would really understand and enjoy it; if we would really know how to use it effectively in service for Christ, we must be careful always to note who is addressing whom, about what and when and why.” (Things That Differ, Cornelius R. Stam, 1951) This is the “literal” way to approach Scripture.

    Glen as I shared before I share again in reply: HERE is perhaps nothing about which the ultradispensationalists are more certain, according to their own expressions, than that the book of the Acts covers a transitional period, coming in between the age of the law and the present age in which the dispensation of the mystery has been revealed. They do not always agree as to the name of this intervening period. Some call it the Kingdom Church; others the Jewish Church; and there are those who prefer the term Pentecostal Dispensation. The general teaching is about as follows: It is affirmed that the coming of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost and His baptizing the one hundred and twenty and those who afterwards believed, did not have anything to do with the formation of the Church, the Body of Christ. On the contrary, they insist that the Church throughout all of the book of Acts up to Paul’s imprisonment was of an altogether lower order than that of the Epistle to the Ephesians. Assemblies in Judea, Samaria, and the various Gentile countries, were simply groups of believers who were waiting for the manifestation of the kingdom, and had not yet come into the full liberty of grace. The ordinances of the Lord’s Supper and of baptism were linked with these companies and were to continue only until Israel had definitely and finally refused the Gospel message, after which the full revelation of the mystery is supposed to have been given to the apostle Paul when he was imprisoned at Rome. From that time on a new dispensation began. Surely this is wrongly confounding the Word of Truth. How any rational and spiritually-minded person could ever come to such a conclusion after a careful reading of the book of Acts, and with it the various epistles addressed to the churches and peoples mentioned in that book, is more than some of us can comprehend. (Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth)

    Glen in fact that wrote article which he wrote shows how Mid Acts Dispensationalism is in Scriptural error with their doctrinal beliefs. For those whom read this check out the link and see what Harry Ironside had to say concerning “Ultra-Dispensationalism” which encompasses the Mid Acts view as well. Click “Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth”

    Quote: 2) The body of Christ began with the Apostle Paul, both Jews and Gentiles. The only true English Bible is the Authorized King James Bible, all others are corrupted.
    I replied: This is true of some just like it’s true of Acts 2 believers; however, Biblion Bible College & Seminary of Silverton, OR has been teaching their students to teach from the original languages for decades and they are mid-Acts.

    As I shared before I will share again: Many believe that the only true authorized English version of the Bible is the King James Bible. That means they believe that all other English translations either have translational errors or theological errors because of how they view the King James Bible. The problem with this is that there are various King James editions and most of them do not know which one they are clinging to or which one is the most accurate. Majority of those in this movement seem to give the opinion that those who do not use the King James are being corrupted with false doctrines and being led astray by the devil. (There are some who prefer other English Translations)

    Quote: 3) You contend that mid-Acts dispensationalism does not allow for non-Jewish conversion during the gospels. I replied: This is not true. There are two examples of Gentiles receiving the blessings of Christ’s earthly ministry and they are the centurion (Matt. 8:5-13) and the woman at the well (John 6:6-13). Otherwise the commission to the disciples was to the Jew only per Matthew 10:5-10 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. Further the purpose of Christ’s earthly ministry is summed up as follows: Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers (Rom. 15:8) So from the above references it is succinctly clear that the blessing of the world was through Israel (even for proselytes (Exod. 12:43; Num. 15:14-16)) and in Acts 1-8 we see that Israel refused to take up that stewardship. Even at Pentecost we see the strangers standing by awaiting the restoration of Israel and the end of the Times of the Gentiles.

    A couple things, I did not say MAD does not believe non Jews could have conversion during the gospels, you are read what I shared wrong, which I will post again. Secondly, the woman at the well was in John 4 not John 6.

    This is what I said: The contention of Mid-Acts Dispensationalism theology is that the Gospels are for the nation of Israel since in a few places Jesus said He came for the lost sheep of Israel, therefore Jesus at first did not come for the Gentiles but only for the Jews. Did Jesus only come for the Jews? Did Jesus only teach truth for those of Israel?

    Here is what God’s Word teaches concerning the Gentiles from one of our articles: click here

    “1 Behold My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect, in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit on Him; He shall bring out judgment to the nations…6 I Jehovah have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand, and will keep You, and give You for a covenant of the people, for a Light of the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1&6 MKJV)

    This is prophecy of the coming Messiah who would bring judgment for the nations, that is the Gentiles. This prophecy speaks of the Servant, which is referring to the suffering Messiah as Isaiah 53:1-12 teaches. Jesus spoke of coming for the whole world in John 3:16, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” Jesus spoke of Him coming for the nation of Israel in Matthew 15, but Jesus also spoke of His coming for the Gentiles to trust in Him as well in the Gospel of Matthew.

    “18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. 21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.” (Matthew 12:18-21 KJV)

    This was spoken directly from the prophecy in Isaiah 42 and was referring Jesus and the Gentiles. The Bible teaches that Jesus the Messiah came for the nation of Israel, the Gentiles, that is Jesus came to give His life for the whole world. Jesus giving His life as an atoning sacrifice is what established the New Covenant for anyone to trust in Him for salvation.

    Also…again from this article

    “9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:9-13)

    Jesus did come for the nation of Israel, that is true. However, Jesus did not come only for the Jews, but for the whole world, all nations, and His death and resurrection is available for any person to receive eternal life from.

    “14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:14-18)

    It is very clear here that Jesus is teaching that anyone can receive eternal life by believing in Him, and they will not be condemned but saved. This shows that Jesus was not sent for only the Jews, but for the whole world. Understanding that Jesus was first sent to the nation of Israel is very crucial. Salvation is of the Jews as Jesus said in John 4:22, and that means that it is through Israel that God has revealed Himself to mankind and all those who come to accept this can be saved and know the true God of all. In the Old Testament Gentiles were accepted if they turned from their ways and accepted the truth that has been revealed, and in the New Covenant God has established His love for mankind by sending a Savior to deliver them from their sins, and anyone who would trust in Jesus would receive eternal life.

    What about the Epistles of Peter? It is true that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, but Paul was not only for the Gentiles. Paul went to both Jews and Gentiles to share Jesus Christ with them. Paul focused more on sharing with the Gentiles than the other Apostles, but that does not mean that the other Apostles did not minister to the Gentiles. Peter preached to Cornelius in Acts 10:1-48 and they received the gospel message and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter in Acts 15:7-11 taught that the Gentiles were saved by faith without works just like they were, that is just like the Jews who trusted in Jesus. The writings of James, Peter, and John have application for the body of Christ, and those who teach they do not are twisting the Scriptures to fit their theology which in essence is to their own destruction.

    Quote: 4) Peter did witness to Cornelius, but as rehearsed in the council of Acts 15 he apologized to the circumcision for that activity and even though the commission of Matt. 28 says that the whole world was to be baptized and discipled, he “doubted”. I say he doubted with good reason, because the restitution of Israel was still God’s plan and Peter had preached it while full of the promise of the Holy Spirit.

    Peter apologized where? Peter doubted, where!!! You have no basis for these statements, they are without merit and clearly your traditions but not according to God’s Word.

    Quote: I ask you prayerfully to either revise your post to be accurate or to remove it and some of the material on your page on “hyper-dispensationalism”.

    Thanks for coming Glen. I appreciate your sharing this again as you said you have shared these things in the past, though I never got them. As to revising or removing, that is not happening cause what has been shared is accurate and I have given Biblical reasons why. If you choose to follow up I would request that we take one point at a time, that way it is much more readable and concise to dialogue.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | November 27, 2012, 3:35 PM

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