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Is Mary essential for salvation? A reply to Patrick Madrid from the Open Line show EWTN Catholic Radio

I would like to give a brief introduction on why I am writing this blog so that those of you whom read this can understand where I am coming from.  I have been listening to a show for some time while now called the “Open Line”, which is a sponsored program through the EWTN. (Eternal Word Television Network, Catholic Radio)  The program covers many doctrines and beliefs within official Roman Catholicism and other religious beliefs and issues.

The “Open Line” is hosted by a man named Patrick Madrid on Thursdays, of whom is very well educated in the Catholic faith and is a very active contributor within the Catholic Church.  Here is a quote from his website:  “PATRICK MADRID IS THE PUBLISHER of EnvoyMagazine, a quarterly journal of Catholic thought, and is the director of theEnvoy Institute of Belmont Abbey College. He is the author or editor of 15 books on Catholic themes including, Pope Fiction, Search and Rescue,Does the Bible Really Say That?, 150 Bible Verses Every Catholic Should Know, and The Godless Delusion: A Catholic Challenge to Modern Atheism (co-authored with Kenneth Hensley). He edited and co-authored the multi-volume Surprised by Truth series. His total book sales, including foreign-language editions, have exceeded 750,000 copies.

Over the past 24 years, he has published numerous popular articles on Scripture, Church history, patristics, apologetics, and evangelization in various Catholic and Protestant periodicals, and he has contributed scholarly articles on apologetics in theNew Catholic Encyclopedia.” To read this for yourself and more about Patrick Madrid click here

Alright, with sharing all of this here is the just of this blog discussion.  Today, March 24, 2011, I was listening to the “Open Life” radio broadcast program, of which I have listened to many times to be properly informed directly from Roman Catholics on what they believe.  There was a caller whom was a Catholic asking  a question about Mary’s role and how she was involved our salvation.  The caller mentioned that he was speaking with someone whom was asking him why he believed Mary was involved with our salvation and if that was something essential for a person to be saved.  Patrick Madrid gave reply stating that there will be many whom have never been informed concerning Mary whom could be saved through believing in Jesus Christ.  However, Patrick went on to state that those who have been informed of the truth concerning the Catholic Church and willfully reject the “de fide” teachings of the Catholic Church will go to hell.

So, I decided to call in to the show to provide a simple Biblical reply and ask a question.  I brought up the conversation that took place earlier in the program with the caller concerning Mary.  I then proceeded to ask about this “de fide” of which Patrick had mentioned that was necessary for Catholics to adhere to in their beliefs.  I also wanted to know about people like myself whom are followers of Jesus Christ and do not adhere to the Roman Catholic Church authority, what will happen to us?  Patrick gave some replies but he was not really answering my question of which I attempted numerous times in the dialogue to get clarification, but I was muted while Patrick was speaking.

During the discussion I was restating what Patrick stated on a person willfully rejecting the teachings of the Catholic Church on Mary, Sacraments, Purgatory, and those whom do not accept those beliefs would go to hell.  Patrick said I was wrong and muted my sound in which the listeners could not hear, and he said that a person like myself was not able to speak in regards to what Catholics believe, and that is he was the qualified one to speak on behalf of Catholicism.  I then attempted to state that he has told people on the show what Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe, though what I was sharing was not heard by the listening audience, which was a little frustrating as I was trying to have a discussion.  Is this statement true?  Can only Catholics speak on what is believed within Catholicism?  That is like stating only Mormons can speak about Mormonism, etc etc etc.

So is Mary essential for a person’s salvation?  The answer is yes, at least according to the teachings of Catholicism.  Here are references that prove this:

“In her public and approved prayers, the Church is always teaching us to have recourse to the Mother of God, and to invoke her as “Health of the Sick, Refuge of Sinners, Help of Christians, and Our Life and Our Hope…the Church applies the words of Sirach to the Blessed Virgin and thus gives us to understand that in her we find all hope: In me is all hope of life and virtue.  In Mary is every grace:  In me is all grace of the way and of the truth.  In Mary we shall find life and eternal salvation:  Those who serve me shall never fail.  Those who explain me shall have life everlasting.” (Glories of Mary, 1970, Mediatrix, page 99)

“Again, the Church hails her as the “happy Gate of Heaven…Just as every rescript of grace or pardon that is sent by a king passes through palace gates, in the same way every grace that comes from heaven to the world passes through the hands of Mary…Mary is called “the Gate of Heaven because no one can enter that blessed Kingdom without passing through her.” (Glories of Mary, 1970, Mediatrix, page 102)

“No person can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him (Jn. 6:44).  In similar words, says Richard of St. Lawrence, Jesus speaks of His Mother:  “No one can come to Me unless My Mother draws that person by her prayers.”  Jesus was the fruit of Mary.  Whoever wants the fruit must go to the tree.  Whoever wants Jesus must go to Mary.  Whoever finds Mary will most certainly find Jesus.” (Glories of Mary, 1970, Mediatrix, page 106)

“without qualification, that “the whole salvation of the human race depends on the great favor and protection of Mary.”  Whoever is protected by Mary will be saved; whoever is not will be lost.” (Glories of Mary, 1970, Mediatrix, page 107)

The above references are some quotes from St. Alphonsus Liguori concerning Mary and her role within the Catholic Church, and in the world for that matter.  Liguori wrote many books and was heavily involved within the Catholic Church during the 1700’s.  St. Alphonsus Liguori is recognized as an authority within the Catholic Church in regards to doctrine.  Click here for more information

It is painfully clear from these references alone that Mary is being seen as an object of idolatry within Roman Catholicism.   There are many Catholics who are not aware of the official doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church concerning Mary and her roles.  To make sure that I am not accused of taking this out of context I will provide some references from the official Catechism of the Catholic Church concerning Mary.

“Espousing the divine will for salvation wholeheartedly, without a single sin to restrain her, she gave herself entirely to the person and to the work of Her Son; she did so in order to serve the mystery of redemption with him and dependent on him, by God’s grace: As St. Irenaeus says, “being obedient she became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race.” Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert …: “The knot of Eve’s disobedience was untied by Mary’s obedience: what the virgin Eve bound through her disbelief, Mary loosened by her faith.” Comparing her with Eve, they call Mary “the Mother of the living” and frequently claim: “Death through Eve, life through Mary.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #494)

“This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation …. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #969)

“All generations will call me blessed”: “The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship.” The Church rightly honors “the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of ‘Mother of God,’ to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. … This very special devotion … differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration.” The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an “epitome of the whole Gospel,” express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #971)

“Because she gives us Jesus, her son, Mary is Mother of God and our mother: we can entrust all our cares and petitions to her: she prays for us as she prayed for herself: “Let it be to me according to your word.” By entrusting ourselves to her prayer, we abandon ourselves to the will of God together with her: “Thy will be done” …. By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the “Mother of Mercy,” the All-Holy One.  We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives. And our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender “the hour of our death” wholly to her care. May she be there as she was at her son’s death on the cross. May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #2677)

For those who are wanting to read these quotes for yourselves click here

Here is what the Bible states:

“44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”   45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,   46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,   47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.   48 “You are witnesses of these things” (Luke 24:44-48 NASB)

“14 “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.   16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.   17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.   18 “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:14-18 NASB)

“1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,   2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.   3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,   4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 NASB)

“9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;   10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.   11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”   12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;   13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”” (Romans 10:9-13 NASB)

“8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of the people,   9 if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well,   10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead–by this name this man stands here before you in good health.   11 “He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone.   12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”” (Acts 4:8-12 NASB)

The Scriptures state what the gospel message is in clear and simple language.  Do not be deceived by the traditions of men or religious organizations that distort the Scriptures and teach another gospel, which is not the true gospel.  Patrick Madrid and others who defend the Roman Catholic Church’s teachings are in error and leading people astray and away from the true gospel.

Mary is not essential for a person to be saved from their sins and if a person does not adhere to what the “de fide” of the Catholic Church teaches they will not go to hell.  Salvation is found in Jesus Christ!  Be a berean, examine these things for yourselves.  This was written to help properly inform people on what Roman Catholicism teaches concerning Mary and salvation and to expose false doctrine.  If you have any questions or comments please share them with us here.

“See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.” (Colossians 2:8 NASB)


8 thoughts on “Is Mary essential for salvation? A reply to Patrick Madrid from the Open Line show EWTN Catholic Radio

  1. Agreed, Mary has no role in a person’s salvation. Christ’s work to provide salvation is complete and lacking nothing. In addition to the errors of worshiping Mary is the matter of seeking to communicate with the dead. People who facilitate such communication, in this case the Roman Catholic Church, are serving as mediums. Leviticus 19:31 “Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out or be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.”

    Isiah 8:19 “And when they say to you, ‘Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,’ should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living?”

    So, instead of trying to consult with Mary who died (and was not resurrected yet), we must call on Jesus Christ Who overcame death and lives for ever more.

    Unfortunately, Roman Catholics have been so indoctrinated with the “teachings” of the RC church that they place a higher value and importance on the word of mortal men (previous church fathers) than on the inspired Word of God. As a result, no matter how devoted they are, they never have the certain assurance of eternal life. If they believed the Bible, they would believe the apostle John when he wrote “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may KNOW that you have eternal life.” 1 John 5:13 (emphasis mine)

    Posted by Al | March 26, 2011, 5:23 PM
  2. Hello Al. Thanks for sharing your comments, I agree with your perspective as it is very clear from God’s Word on this issue.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | March 27, 2011, 8:54 AM
  3. We know Jesus (albeit not the name) exists as eternal, non-created. I know there is much confusion over the theotokos doctrine. Rather than get into depth about such concepts, from my understanding this term is from an argument long ago that helped to protect the deity of Christ by not placing a higher emphasis on his humanity and those that thought claiming Mary “mother of Jesus” in contrast didn’t fully allow for his divine nature. I am no Roman Catholic expert, to that I say there are many Roman Catholic believers that also are not experts in all theological concepts. I would consider myself catholic (universal, but non- Roman). These two disagreements on mother of Jesus vs. mother of God did cause a split of the church as did other beliefs. I accept Jesus as fully divine and fully human.

    Is Mary needed for salvation? Directly, no… indirectly perhaps. By that I mean… is Mary needed for salvation, no salvation is from God alone. Does God use Mary to fulfill prophecy that allows the Word to become flesh, my answer is yes.

    From my apprehension, Sola Ecclesia can have the tendency to elevate dogma (certain deposits of faith) as being equal to scripture, but for a soft-cessationist like myself I beg to differ on certain dogmas having such equality with scripture. Of course there are doctrines in which I do hold as requirements for salvation (i.e. Jesus as part of the Godhead).

    Is Mary needed for salvation? Directly, no… indirectly perhaps. By that I mean… is Mary needed for salvation, no salvation is from God alone. Does God use Mary to fulfill prophecy that allows the Word to become flesh, my answer is yes.

    Regarding the de fide; I say prove it Patrick Madrid–add a qualifier such as “thus saith the Lord”. By who’s authority is it that people are sent to hell, man or God?

    Shouldn’t a true apostle be able to perform the deeds of the 11 and Paul? Can the Pope raise people from the dead? Sorry, I know I should stick to the topic and not be so facetious.

    Posted by Cup Of Java | March 31, 2011, 4:47 PM
  4. I was reminded of the words of the Apostle Peter who said these words as God’s Spirit filled him: “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). There is no way that these words can be twisted to include Mary as involved in providing salvation.

    We honor Mary’s devote life of obedience to God and her willingness to accept all that the angel told her would happen, and we are reminded of these details with every retelling of the Christmas story. However, Jesus nowhere gave her a role in salvation, rather, He became her salvation.

    So if Jesus did not ascribe a role to Mary in salvation, and if the apostle Peter himself declared, while filled with God’s Spirit, that salvation was not provided by anyone else, then any assumption that Mary has some role in salvation is contrary to God, contrary to the apostle Peter and contrary to the Bible.

    My heart truly goes out to people who are upset with the plain teaching of the Word of God and who turn instead to the comfort of the teachings of men because that is what they have always been taught. To consider, even for a moment, that what they have been taught concerning Mary is contrary to Scripture means that they will have to re-evaluate the very basis of their faith in God. I pray that such people will not be afraid to have an honest look at the facts. God will reward the brave with peace that comes from His Spirit in way they could never have hoped for.

    Confess your sins to Jesus Christ, accept His full and free forgiveness, make Him the Lord of your life, and you will KNOW that you have eternal life. God’s Spirit will confirm the assurance of salvation to your spirit so that you will KNOW. I know this is true because it has been true for me.

    Cup Of Java asks, by whose authority people are sent to hell. The answer: by their own authority. Everyone begins life on the road to hell because of our sin nature inherited from Adam. Salvation is offered by Jesus to everyone as a free gift. Those who accept the free gift and make Christ Lord of their lives are transferred to a new path and go to heaven. The rest just carry on their way to the end of the road – they made their decision, by their own authority, by refusing the gift of eternal life.

    Posted by Al | April 2, 2011, 3:33 PM
  5. Let us strengthen each other with the truth. I enjoyed this post. Please stop by my blog site and read my posts. I wrote a post titled Catholic Influence Demolished. I hope that you will encourage me with a kind reply if I have helped to enlighten you. God bless.

    Posted by AMG | September 9, 2011, 8:31 PM
  6. Thanks for checking us out, it is truly a blessing when we are able to be a blessing to others. May you grow in the grace of our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. (2 Peter 3:14-18)

    Posted by Kelly Powers | September 9, 2011, 11:28 PM
  7. Many people over the centuries, including myself, have seen where Mary actually leads us closer to her Son; she never leads us away from Him. Jesus chose her from all times to be His Mother. We are told in the Bible that Mary says, “All generations will call me blessed.” I don’t understand, then, why Protestants do not call her blessed and do not have more love for her. I understand even Luther was very devoted to her. She is our spiritual Mother.

    Posted by Helen | March 25, 2019, 4:33 AM
  8. I have heard people say that “Mary draws us closer to her Son,” but I think don’t think the claim carries much weight. It’s akin to the belief that “taking Vitamin C cured my cold”—there are years of clinical evidence that Vitamin C works no better than placebo when it comes to colds, but people still swear by it. In other words, it’s a matter of perception that may or may not have anything to do with reality. After all, is there any way to evaluate such an assertion? What exactly do people mean when they say that Mary brings them closer to Jesus? Is it reasonable to claim that we get closer to one person by spending time with someone else?

    Even more importantly, what does Scripture show us? Does anyone in Scripture spend time with Mary in order to know Jesus better? No. Do either Jesus or any of His apostles ever recommend her company as a way to develop intimacy with Him? No.

    As a matter of fact, Jesus deliberately draws His followers’ attention away from Mary and to Himself. In all four gospels, He separates Himself from His earthly relationships, specifically the maternal one. In Matthew 12: 46–50 we read: “While He was still speaking to the people, behold, His mother and His brothers stood outside, asking to speak to Him. But He replied to the man who told Him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Mark 3:31–35 records the parallel passage. Luke 11:27–28 reads, “As He said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” Finally, in John 2, we see Jesus address Mary as “Woman” rather than “Mother,” de-emphasizing the maternal relationship, and on the cross, He severs the mother-son relationship completely as He gives her into the care of His beloved disciple, John.

    This interpretation of these passages is substantiated by the fact that in Scripture Mary’s importance fades as the redemption story proceeds. Of course, she is a key figure in the birth narrative. She was certainly blessed to be the mother of the Messiah. However, that is where her role ends. The Bible’s final specific mention of her, where she receives the Holy Spirit in the upper room along with the other believers (Acts 1:14), does not single her out for any special honor. The apostle Paul’s only mention of her is when he says that Christ was “born of woman” (Gal. 4:4); he doesn’t even reference her name. Clearly, he does not consider her to have any ongoing significance in the life of the believer.

    So how do the apostles say that we come to know Christ better? Through the Holy Spirit, never through Mary. The Holy Spirit is our Helper and Teacher (John 14:26), our Advocate (Rom. 8:27-28), our Benefactor (Heb. 2:4), our Mediator (Eph. 2:18). Jesus’ mother, as shown by the deafening silence of Scripture, is none of these things.

    Posted by Dana | May 16, 2020, 12:19 PM

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