I would like to share a story with you. See, over the last 20 years I have been a studious researcher in various areas of Christianity, Theology, Cults, and Religions. I really do not want to toot my own horn but sometimes you need to say things as they need to be said, despite those who oppose. Recently I posted a blog in regards to a man named Patrick Madrid from the Open Line radio show which is sponsored and aired through EWTN Catholic radio station. As I shared in my last post, I listen occasionally to the EWTN Catholic station and I like to check out the Open Line show, which is a live call show for people to ask or give comments in regards to the Catholic faith.
So with saying all of that I posted a blog, sent a few emails to Patrick Madrid as he stated on his show to do, thinking he really wanted to have some dialogue. It turns out he really did not want to have an authentic discussion, but he wanted his listeners to think so. I wonder how many others are treated the same, hmmm. See after a some time when I did not get any replies I sent another email to Patrick Madrid asking him if he got my emails and if he would so graciously reply to what I have posted. It turns out he got the emails, knew about them, says he was busy (which I can understand at times), but he was to busy to have a dialogue with me and really did not want to waste his time with me, and points me to contact some other people from another Catholic ministry. I found that very amusing.
Ok, ok. Some of you wanted to know how things went so I give some of the discussion that took place, though there really is not much. I will post a few quotes and then give some thoughts.
Quote: “As I said on the “Open Line” show when you called in, you are deeply mistaken if you think that the Catholic Church teaches that we are saved by the Blessed Virgin Mary.”
Patrick Madrid gives me a few references from the Catechism stating it is in Jesus that we are saved, but he never makes any reply or reference to the references I posted from the Glories of Mary and the Catechism of the Catholic Church in regards to Mary being involved and essential for a person’s salvation. Anyone who reads the references from the previous blog can easily see what Patrick Madrid stated to me is wrong. But the problem is not what he is saying now but what he said before, because on the show he stated if a person rejected the Catholic church authority and Mary’s role in salvation they would go to hell. He did say that!
Quote: “As you admitted on the show, you are not a Catholic. I have been a Catholic for over 50 years, and I know what the Church teaches on this subject.”
That is a very interesting statement. Patrick, which is it? You said one must believe in the authority of the church and Mary’s role for salvation or they will go to hell. Or, Jesus only? You are not being consistent with your theology. Why not just say it as it is, that a person must be Catholic, hold to the church authority and traditions and sacraments in order to be saved. Click Here for the proof (The Gospel of Roman Catholicism)
One comment in regards to me admitting I was not Catholic. That was not an admission, it was a statement. However what I did say is that I was around Catholicism for many years of my life, family, friends, and I have personally taken the time to study and get the resources on Catholicism. I have been a Christian for 33 years, I know Christianity, do not tell me what Christianity is! Does that make it so? I know of many Mormons who have been Mormons for 30-60 years, who am I to share with them what they truly believe? Secondly, who are you to take about Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses on your show since you have never been one? Your comment is hypocritical when you think it and what you said and it does not prove anything :)
Quote: “Now, the other point I made on the show to an earlier caller is that, because the Catholic Church’s Marian doctrines are de fide and, therefore, cannot be willfully and knowingly rejected, any Catholic who does willfully and knowingly reject them cannot be saved. The point I made to you when you called is that if you, a Protestant, know that these teachings are true (you obviously do not know that), and if you nonetheless willingly and knowingly reject them (again, even though you know they are true), then you will not be saved.”
Can you say that out loud to yourself and explain that one more time? You say that if a person willfully and knowingly rejects them, they will not be saved. That was the main thing I was sharing on the show, though I was cut off on the show attempting to clarify. If a person has been informed concerning the Catholic church’s view on their authority, their doctrines, and a person rejects them, they will be lost and go to hell. That is clearly what you stated on the show, and this is what official Roman Catholicism teaches.
Quote: “The mistake you are making is to assume that the above fact somehow entails the wholly erroneous notion that the Blessed Virgin Mary can save you or anyone. As Scripture and the Catechism of the Catholic Church make very clear, she cannot.”
You contradict yourself and the Catholic Church… There really is not much else needed to reply in this quote except that the Bible is clear that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ, not of works, not of the Catholic church, not of Mary, but grace through faith in Jesus Christ. If a person has truly given their heart and life to Jesus Christ and have become a new creation, they are saved by the atonement and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and they can know they have eternal life.
Quote: “If you still wish to debate this, I’d respectfully suggest you contact the staff apologists at Catholic Answers whose full-time job is to interact with folks such as yourself on issues such as this.”
What? This is seriously funny. After all the hype on the show about getting in touch with you and my emails to you to contact you, this is your view? I thought you were a theologian, an apologist, a person who takes the time to answer people’s questions? Why ask for someone to contact you to dialogue further and point them to someone else?
In closing I would like to say this was an interesting experience. It shows where people really are at and how they want to hold on to their tickling ears theology and not have an actual discussion. I am sad for the many upon many who listen to the EWTN radio programs and blindly take what they are being told as truth when in fact it is misleading, non Christian, and false. I wish no disrespect or evil upon Patrick Madrid, but he and others who teach another gospel will be held accountable one day for themselves and for leading people astray. (Galatians 1:6-9)
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