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Peter’s Gospel of Grace vs Mid Acts Dispensationalism – Berean Perspective Podcast

Welcome to another Berean Perspective Audio Podcast.  In today’s discussion we will be looking a bit closer at Mid Acts Dispensationalism and the Epistles of Peter, and what Peter taught concerning the gospel of grace – heaven – the prophets – and the recipients of Peter and Paul.  Does the Epistles of Peter teach what Mid Acts Dispensationalists teach? Did Peter preach the gospel of grace? Did Peter really teach another (different) Gospel other than what Paul taught?  The answer is no, Peter did not preach a different gospel from what Paul taught.

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  • What do Mid Acts Dispensationalist’s believe?

Paul was the first person to be saved by grace and that the 12 apostles were preaching a different (another) gospel message where by people (Jews/Gentiles) could only be saved (earthly kingdom) by faith and water baptism.  Thus Paul was the first to preach grace through faith in Jesus Christ for salvation and to be heavenly bound.

The following quotes are from a Mid Acts site:

“there was a different gospel (good news) being proclaimed by Jesus Christ and his Twelve Apostles while He walked the earth. That gospel was called “THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM”. Acceptance into the Earthly Kingdom promised to Israel required faith and water baptism. However Israel rejected the Kingdom, even after the resurrection of their King – The Lord Jesus Christ.  When they did, God set Israel (as a nation) aside and postponed that promised Kingdom. This is what Romans 11:11,12,15, & 25 is about. Rather than God sending the prophesied judgement of the tribulation upon them, He set that Kingdom program aside and began a NEW AGE which was never prophesied to come. It is referred to as “THE MYSTERY” and is called “THE AGE OF GRACE” – see Ephesians 3:1-11 and Colossians 1:24-27.” (link)

“The Apostle Paul was miraculously saved in Acts Chapter 9 to be God’s chosen vessel to reveal this new age of grace which affects the Gentiles as well as the Jews. Before the Apostle Paul was saved and given the revelation of this new age, Gentiles could only be saved through the nation Israel, based upon Israel receiving her promised Kingdom. But today it is different. Paul does not preach the good news of the Kingdom, but the good news of the Cross” (link)

  • Peter’s Gospel of Grace in comparison to Mid Acts Beliefs/Teachings

Peter preached the gospel of grace, the gospel message for salvation for Jews and Gentiles, eternally saved by grace, heaven bound, that the prophets prophesied of the grace to come, and that those whom Peter wrote to were also the same as those whom Paul wrote to – the body of Christ.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,   to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,   who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.   In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials,   so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;   and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,   obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.   10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries,   11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.   12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven–things into which angels long to look. (1 Peter 1:3-12 NASB)

14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,   15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,   16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.   17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,   18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. (2 Peter 3:14-18 NASB)

  • Peter preached the gospel of grace through faith in Jesus Christ for both Jews and Gentiles

Peter preached the gospel of grace through faith in Jesus Christ to Jews and Gentiles, and that they were saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.  Understanding what water baptism is according to the Scriptures is very important, for it was a way of public identification with Jesus, thus a change of life and identity, but Peter made it clear that water was not what saved anyone but a genuine faith in Jesus.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”   38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.   39 “For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” (Acts 2:37-39 NASB)

39 “We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross.   40 “God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,   41 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead.   42 “And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.   43 “Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”   44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.   45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.   46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,   47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”   48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. (Acts 10:39-48 NASB)

After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.   “And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;   and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.   10 “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?   11 “But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.” (Acts 15:7-11 NASB)

21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you–not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience–through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 3:21 NASB)

  • There is only one Gospel of grace in Jesus Christ

Mid Acts Dispensationalists teach that Peter and Paul taught two different gospel messages for salvation, but that is false and un-biblical.  Unfortunately what Mid Acts Dispensationalists have done is get caught up in perspective on following Paul solely, of which Paul rebuked those whom did that in the Corinth church.

10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.   11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you.   12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.”   13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?   14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,   15 so that no one would say you were baptized in my name.   16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.   17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.   18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:10-18 NASB)

I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;   which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.   But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!   As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:6-9)

  • In Conclusion

This is a brief response to many of you whom have been asking about what Mid Acts Dispensationalism is, is what they teach or believe true or false.  Peter did not preach a different (another) gospel from what Paul taught, thus Peter and Paul preached the same gospel of grace in Jesus Christ when read accurately in context.  This is also to those whom are caught up in it and continue to falsely accuse us of following the traditions of men or twisting the Scriptures.  For more resources please check out our Hyper-Dispensationalism section.

If any of you have comments or questions concerning what has been shared here concerning what Mid Acts Dispensationalists believe/teach, or other issues, you are encouraged to share them with us either by leaving a comment or email.

10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.   11Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. (Acts 17:10-11 NASB)

Kelly Powers

Discussion

11 thoughts on “Peter’s Gospel of Grace vs Mid Acts Dispensationalism – Berean Perspective Podcast

  1. Did Peter and Paul preach the same Gospel? Consider the following:

    Paul is the only person in the Bible who uses the term “the Church the Body of Christ” (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:22,23; et al.) Peter, James, John, Jesus in His earthly ministry, and all the other apostles of Israel do not use the term “the Church the Body of Christ.” Grab any Bible concordance, and you will not find a single reference to “the body of Christ” outside of Paul’s epistles, Romans through Philemon. Why? Paul claims that he alone received the revelations and doctrines for this the Dispensation of Grace (Romans 16:25,26; Ephesians 3:1-9; Colossians 1:23-27).
    In 1 Timothy 1:11 Paul wrote “it [the Gospel of the Grace of God of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4] was committed to his trust.” Peter, James, and John are not mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:11. This “Gospel of the blessed God” could not be the same Gospel that Peter and the eleven preached. Otherwise Paul would have said “committed to our trust,” indicating Israel’s apostles too. Paul wrote that this Gospel of the blessed God was committed to his trust because it was committed to his trust alone. In Galatians 2:2, Paul says “I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them [Peter, James, John; verse 9] that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles….” Evidently, Paul shared with James, Peter, and John something they had not previously known. Indeed, Paul and Peter preached two different Gospels!
    Look at Galatians 2:7,8 KJV: “7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:).” Do you see that there are two Gospels in that verse alone? A Gospel of the Circumcision (the Jews’ Gospel of the Kingdom), and a Gospel of the Uncircumcision (the Gentiles’ Gospel of God’s Grace). You do not find any reference to “the Gospel of the Kingdom” in Paul’s books. Outside of Paul’s ministry, you do not find “the Gospel of the Grace of God.” There are two separate Gospels here: one which God entrusted to Paul’s apostleship and one which God entrusted to Peter and the eleven’s apostleship. There is nothing complicated or contradictory as long as you keep them separate!
    Who laid the foundation of the Christian faith for this the Dispensation of the Grace of God? THE APOSTLE PAUL! Jesus Christ is the foundation, but Paul is the “wise masterbuilder” (architect) who laid the foundation Jesus Christ, His death, His burial, and His resurrection as means for salvation (1 Corinthians 3:10,11).
    Notice 1 Timothy 1:15,16 KJV: “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.” A pattern is the first, and the Holy Spirit says that Paul is our pattern. He was the first to get placed into the Church Body of Christ—the “hereafter” refers to people who get saved after Paul. The word “chief” implies Paul is the first, the primary one, and the head of the line (see “chief” in Acts 14:12, Luke 22:26, Acts 28:7 where “chief” means “first, main.”) Because Paul is our pattern for this dispensation, the Holy Spirit tells us to follow Paul as he follows Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1; cf. 1 Corinthians 4:16; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:6). There is no command to follow Peter, James, or John in the Bible. Why? Remember, Paul is “the apostle of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13 KJV; Romans 15:16; 2 Timothy 1:11). Remember, James, Peter, and John were apostles of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Matthew 19:27,28; Galatians 2:9).
    When the nation Israel asked the Apostle Peter, “What must we do to be saved?,” notice Peter’s answer: “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38; cf. Acts 3:19). However, when the Philippian jailor asked Paul and Silas, “What must I do to be saved?,” notice what Paul and Silas declared: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house” (Acts 16:31). Obviously, these are not the same message. Peter told people to repent and then get water baptized, so they could receive forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul simply taught that salvation comes by “believing on [trusting] the Lord Jesus Christ,” without any reference to water baptism or repentance. If words mean anything, Peter and Paul preached two separate Gospels.

    CONCLUSION

    Confusion abounds when you mix the nation Israel with the Church the Body of Christ. Learn to “rightly divide” the Bible, separating Law from Grace (Romans 6:14,15), the prophetic program (Acts 3:21) from the mystery program (Romans 16:25,26a), just as the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy: “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). All of the Bible is for us, but not all the Bible is to us or about us.

    Anyone who does not see the clear distinction between the ministries and apostleships of Paul and Peter is actually unwilling to see the difference. The verses are in plain English, and no seminary degree is necessary. If you disagree with any of these verses, you are denying the plethora of Scriptural support, and you are arguing with God’s Word. Be not foolish, friend.

    “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant” (1 Corinthians 14:37, 38 KJV). If you do not see the simple Bible truths contained in this study, you do not want to see them, and are being dishonest with the Bible and yourself. We conclude that one who ignores these truths is doing so in order to embrace vain church tradition and fallible denominational biases and interpretations.

    Posted by Joey Grace | October 3, 2014, 5:22 AM
  2. Yea, Mid acts Pauline is the only way to understand your bible. You see I am kind of unique to Christianity. I had been saved for majority of my life, but knew next to nothing about it. For a long time I thought Catholicism and Christianity kinda meant the same thing. I am being honest. I mean, denominations wasn’t even in my understanding for a long long time. I think back now and just realize how much of a babe in Christ I was.

    Anyway, I was always scared to read the bible, because I knew once I read it I couldn’t undue what I would learn. You know my thinking was “man I know there is some stuff I like to do that probably isn’t OK with God” and things like that. And this was frightening to me for a long time. But it was always in my heart to eventually do it. To study it and such. My interest started to grow around the time the Da Vinci Code came out. It raised a lot of questions for me. I was hearing stuff I was truly clueless about. (I know better now, but at the time I was ignorant). And so I stated to dabble in answering some of these questions I had. I kind of got what I wanted, but didn’t go to far with it and then went on to my regular life.

    Then about two or three years later Obama was about to be president and a few of my family members were saying things like I hear he is the anit christ and things like that. And at that time I had no idea what anti christ even meant. Had zero clue what that was. I laugh at this now. So I looked into it and that really launched my interest, but I still had not gotten into the bible yet. I supposed I still wasn’t ready. It wasn’t really until about four years later that I truly made the commitment to learn the bible. So this is why I am unique.

    I came into the bible with a clean slate. I wasn’t polluted with all of the different view points and doctrines. I didn’t grow up with preconceived ideas. I mean nothing. I knew nothing. So I call this a blessing in many ways because it allowed me to look at ALL the different views and arguments without having any prejudice to a previous view point or understanding. I started to look into denominations, bible versions, end times, the occult, pre trib, post trip, pre wrath, Calvinism, Arminianism, etc, etc. When I go into something, I go into it fully. I wasn’t holding anything back. After all, I believed in Jesus Christ and he was my pal for most of my life. But I was really getting worrisome because of all of the division and conflicting view points. I even looked into ideas that maybe I was wrong about God and it’s all just a big lie, but I quickly proved that to be very false.

    But after some researching, I was actually shocked; truly shocked at how Christians let Satan infiltrate them so badly. It was actually quite alarming. I honestly can’t believe how Christians who go to church every week don’t have this same alarming mentality and don’t question their allegiance to their bible view points. I think its hypocritical to the maximum in my opinion. Because it didn’t take me long to finally find the actual truth of God and his word – so Christians are without excuse in my eyes anyway.

    Well, I say it didn’t take long, but I guess if you look at the amount of hours I put into it (and still ongoing) it actually may be a decent amount of time. I dunno, 12-16 hours a day for almost 2-3 years. Yea, I guess that is a lot. But anyway, I cant remember exactly how I came across Pauline teachings. But I did and wow, it was like why is this not the standard for Christians. Are most really this blind and arrogant? When I came across this teachings, I was literally like “this is it! This is it! Why is this not everywhere” I was so excited. I was truly blown away. Because I had washed up all of the view points out there and I wasn’t really comfortable with any of it. There was so much twisting of words in ALL of the denominations. They all contradicted each other. Where is truth in that? There isn’t.

    I actually didn’t come into mid acts teachings until towards the very very end of my journey. And honestly, it just marked the end of my journey because everything got answered. All of the questions that were raised from other view points got nailed when I understood Paul. I had so many unanswered questions that NO BODY could answer, truthfully. I look at the bible this way. God wrote it. And it can only mean one thing. When everyone has a different view point. Then they are ALL wrong. Or at the very least one is right. But they all proved each other wrong, so in essence they were all wrong. Because that is not one truth. Its a bunch of fables as how I see it.

    And NONE of them could tell me why God judged ananias and sapphira after the cross. This was one of my first questions I ever had. And no one could answer it. I spent so much time into this one question, that I’ve heard it all. It was only until I knew how to rightly divide the word through Paul, that it clicked in my head and I finally got the answer. This was about a year and half after I learned how to rightly divide. And after all this time of never getting an answer. It finally made sense. And I know you want to know the answer. I know you do, because I know you don’t know the answer. If you dont know how to rightly divide truth from truth. If you think you know the answer, I guarantee you I’ve heard whatever it is you think the answer is and its wrong.

    It’s impossible for you to understand ananias and sapphira without right division mid acts Pauline. It’s impossible. In fact, I could never understand why God would not show me the answer to this problem. I had this question for two years and He would always teach me the things I didnt understand eventually, but not ananias and sapphira. And now I know why. Because it was impossible for him to do so. I had to know ten things first before I could understand that nugget. I needed to understand how to rightly divide before I could even think about understanding it.

    So I could go on, but in summary. Mid act’s Pauline Dispensationalism is bullet proof. No holes, no twisting, no greek and hebrew. Just clean sound doctrine.

    Posted by Lee | October 31, 2014, 7:17 AM
  3. Lee,

    thanks for sharing “your” testimony of what you believe to be true. The problem with all you have share is simply that you did not address the things shared in what I shared. All you did is share on “your journey” of what you believe led you into Mid Acts persuasion. How about addressing what I have shared and proving what I have shared to be inaccurate. If you can do that, then you have journey of truth to consider, but with your emotionalism views on what you believe made you understand things better, that simply proves nothing. I could list many reasons why people whom have claimed to be Christian who later become a Jehovah’s Witness, Muslim, Atheist, etc.

    I will give you the opportunity to respond to what I have pointed out and give a rebuttal if you will.

    Kelly

    Posted by Kelly Powers | November 1, 2014, 7:59 PM
  4. Lee, I acknowledge you had a message reply but it was just links to youtube videos. You said your message got lost before you posted it and did not want to retype it, but that is a bit of an escape. I would welcome your reply when you get a chance to reply another time but I choose not to post a message with links from others that did not specially address what was asked. If you wish to have a conversation you are welcome to, if not thanks for your time here.

    Kelly

    Posted by Kelly Powers | November 8, 2014, 10:10 AM
  5. It isn’t only Mid Acts Dispensationalism that is in error, but all types of Dispensationalism that claim God has two separate peoples. Joey Grace wrongly believes that to “rightly divide” means to split the Scripture into two categories, and two peoples of God. He refuses to believe that Jesus, by His death, created one Body in Himself. He united Jew and Gentile. In Him Gentiles are added to the Commonwealth of Israel, all believing Jews who lived by faith. The fact that Peter does not use “the Body of Christ” is irrelevant, and an argument from silence. Peter clearly teaches that Jesus “who His own self bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.” How are we “dead to sins?” Paul answers that question. By being baptized into the death of Jesus as His body. It is the same Gospel.
    In the Garden, Satan deceived man and brought dead to the world. The Gospel was announced in the Garden, that the Seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent. It was announced to Abraham that that Seed would come from his loins and would bless all nations, Jew and well and Gentile. The Law was put into effect “because of transgression,” “UNTIL the Seed should come.” In the fulness of time, That Seed appeared. Born under the Law, He redeemed those under the Law, and through His death He has blessed all nations. He did this through the cross, wherein He destroyed him who holds the power of death, that is, the Devil.
    The writer of Hebrews clearly states that the same Gospel that was announced in the Garden was preached to Abraham. Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, announced the Gospel in advance to Abraham, saying, In your Seed all nations will be blessed.” Those blessings come by faith to ALL who believe. Abraham looked forward to that day, and he saw it. The prophets preached about the grace that was to come, and about the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. The Gospel was even preached to the children of Israel in the wilderness, but they failed to enter God’s rest because of unbelief.
    Redemptive history is not about two people, an earthly people and a heavenly people. Jesus came to unite heaven and earth, to bring ALL things together in Him through the cross. Dispensationalism undoes what Christ has done, and therefore blasphemes the cross.
    Jesus took on flesh so that in Him the old creation would die. There are two peoples, but only one belongs to God. Those in Adam remain dead in sins. Those in Christ, though faith, being buried with Him in baptism, are raised up and seated with Him in heavenly places. Those in Christ are no longer in Adam. All creation groans as in the pains of childbirth, waiting for this new creation to be revealed. Those in Christ are the first fruits of that new creation. At the resurrection, ALL who are in their graves will be raised up, as the earth gives birth to her dead.
    Hebrews 11 shows that the Old Testament saints were saved in the same way that we are, by faith in God’s promises. Though they had an incomplete picture of what the promise Seed would accomplish, and what blessings He would bring, they clearly understood and looked forward to those promises. Abraham even understood through the eyes of faith that the promises were not earthly but heavenly, and he looked forward to that heavenly country. He also understood, in offering His son, that God could raise the dead. The writer states that none received the promises, because God had something better, and that both Old and New Testament saints would be made perfect together. Jesus, the promised Seed had come and made perfect forever, those who are being made holy. The Old Testament saints who live by faith are a “cloud of witnesses,” and together with them, we have come to Mount Zion, the heavenly city, and the Church of the Firstborn whose names are written in heaven…” The Church is the New Jerusalem, with twelve foundations and twelve gates. On the twelve foundations are written the names of the twelve apostles, and on the gates are written the names of the twelve tribes. The Bride of Christ, the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven is Israel, Jew and Gentile made one in Christ, built together to become a dwelling place for God. What could be clearer?
    The Church was God’s eternal purpose from the foundations of the earth. It is the “culmination of the ages.” Jesus came, not to offer the Jews a physical Kingdom, but to die on the cross to reconcile the WORLD to Himself. He came to undo what was done in the Garden. The Jews did not reject Him, for “not all who are descended from Israel are Israel,” nor are all of Abraham’s seed children of God. The New Covenant was made with Israel, and it was received. It does not await fulfillment in a literal Kingdom of earth.
    It is nearly impossible to convince a Dispensationalist of their error. All Scripture is interpreted based on this faulty foundation. When the foundation is wrong, all that is built upon it is wrong also. It is a massive network of assumptions, speculations, passages wrested out of context, changed definitions, and made to fit their preconceived beliefs. I should know. I believed it wholeheartedly for 40 years (like those who wandered in the wilderness). That is, until I realized that the Old Testament Scriptures are not about the nation of Israel. They are about Jesus.

    Posted by toddott | December 9, 2016, 7:45 AM
  6. Joey Grace, notice how they all avoid a lot of points you brought up. Romans 16:25, gospel now made manifest, when? by Paul. Then, there is the doctrine hid in God only made known in Ephesians, unsearchable. So they can not say it is in the bible prior. Is Paul prophesied before it happened? no, it was a surprise to all. Why did Jesus stand up in Acts 7? What would the princes have done if they knew about Paul beforehand, what God was really doing, and how this relates to the prince of Tyrus in Ez 28 who was wiser than Daniel? No man is wiser, so who was it that God kept some things hidden from in 1 cor 2:8? The full brunt, made known in the two titanics ephs and colossians. The KJB would be false according to them; it has the gospel OF in Galatians 2. Some of the bibles they use have the Son of God in the fiery furnace with the 3 Hebrew children in Daniel 3, as ‘a son of the gods’, heathen. No one will mistake Who they are seeing when the Son is seen. So, which bible are we going by; they all do not say the same thing. The pattern was first to Paul 1 tim 1, and that he laid our foundation. So, it cannot be in the synoptic, where the disciples preached a gospel for 3.5 yrs, and did not know anything about what was coming. Peter even tried to stop it. Didn’t Peter preach in Acts 10 that God accepts a person by works? Did Paul? no. So what gospel was THAT? Wasn’t ours. Neither is the Everlasting Gospel in Revelation; not our doctrine at all there. Peter also preached to hope to the end, endure to the end, in the end receive their salvation, and in Acts_at the times of refreshing. Has that happened yet? no. Did Peter glory in the Cross, wanted to know only ONE thing-Jesus and HIM crucified? no, it was about sending Jesus back in Acts 3. Is Israel still fallen according to Romans 9-11? until the fullness of the gentiles? yes, the fullness has not happened. They say the ONE new man, the body in ephesians is a bride. That we are saved by faith, wait or is it through faith but the circumcision by faith. Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Is the faith OF Christ in their bibles? It can never fail, so ours puts us into His faith, and what He did on that Cross. If the 12 knew about all this, then no need for Paul, and he would not be a pattern first, by the Cross. How many places did satan usurp? One,or was it two? The meek shall inherit, the Heaven? Thy kingdom come to Heaven? Or, is it the earth. Who is therefore in the house not made with hands ETERNAL in the heaven not coming back to the earth aka the new jerusalem? Also, why are Paul’s epistles written AFTER Hebrews to Jude, and possibly Revelation if Paul DID fulfill ALL things in scripture(several opinions on the date), placed before them? Dispensation of the grace of God which started with Paul who said to follow him and what he wrote ‘wholly’. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles, not one of the apostles. Wonder which throne he will sit on, or which gate or foundation is his if they all preached the same message? Why even bring Paul in the first place, born out of due time?

    Posted by art | December 16, 2016, 3:11 AM
  7. Lots of good points Art. I’ll add a few points as well. When the bible says that the mystery was HID in God. It doesn’t mean it was hidden in scripture lol. It means it was literally a secret God hid from Satan. And had it been known, they would not of crucified the Lord of Glory 1 Cor 2.6-9.

    When Paul rightly divides the two gospels in Gal 2.7, what do these guys think Paul means? Paul clearly separates the TWO gospels.

    But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (Paul), as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

    Also, look at the 12 thrones that will have 12 crowns in Revelation. Why is there not 13? Is Paul just an oddity? Or is Paul not part of the Earthly kingdom. 12 Thrones, 12 tribes, 12 Crowns. Not 13. We are not Part of Israel’s Earth. We are destined for Heavenly things. Who before Paul ever thought they would be IN heaven with God after they die. Certainly not the Jews.

    And as I stated over 2 years ago in my first post here. No one in the comments has explained Ananias and Sapphira. God can’t judge people in that manner after the cross work or it makes him a liar. And these two can’t be understood unless you understand the bible rightly divided through Paul.

    Posted by apocholipso | December 19, 2016, 5:36 AM
  8. Good day guys (Joey, Lee, Art, Apocholipso). Recently a few of you have posted how this site or others have not addressed what you shared. Here is a problem that you have, first off you didn’t refute what was shared in the podcast or in the article format. Secondly, you seem to not be willing to have an actual discussion of the points shared or you would do so. So for the record what has been shared by me stands and proves the points I have shared in how you guys have responded. Unless you are willing, let me say that again, unless you are willing to examining what was shared and prove it from the Scriptures that were addressed, you will continue to miss the point and be confused.

    From Above:

    Peter’s Gospel of Grace in comparison to Mid Acts Beliefs/Teachings

    Peter preached the gospel of grace, the gospel message for salvation for Jews and Gentiles, eternally saved by grace, heaven bound, that the prophets prophesied of the grace to come, and that those whom Peter wrote to were also the same as those whom Paul wrote to – the body of Christ.

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls. 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven–things into which angels long to look. (1 Peter 1:3-12 NASB)

    14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. (2 Peter 3:14-18 NASB)

    Peter preached the gospel of grace through faith in Jesus Christ for both Jews and Gentiles

    Peter preached the gospel of grace through faith in Jesus Christ to Jews and Gentiles, and that they were saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Understanding what water baptism is according to the Scriptures is very important, for it was a way of public identification with Jesus, thus a change of life and identity, but Peter made it clear that water was not what saved anyone but a genuine faith in Jesus.

    37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 “For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” (Acts 2:37-39 NASB)

    39 “We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross. 40 “God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42 “And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead. 43 “Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. (Acts 10:39-48 NASB)

    7 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 “And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; 9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 “But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.” (Acts 15:7-11 NASB)

    21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you–not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience–through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 3:21 NASB)

    There is only one Gospel of grace in Jesus Christ
    Mid Acts Dispensationalists teach that Peter and Paul taught two different gospel messages for salvation, but that is false and un-biblical. Unfortunately what Mid Acts Dispensationalists have done is get caught up in perspective on following Paul solely, of which Paul rebuked those whom did that in the Corinth church.

    10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void. 18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:10-18 NASB)

    6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:6-9)

    In Conclusion

    This is a brief response to many of you whom have been asking about what Mid Acts Dispensationalism is, is what they teach or believe true or false. Peter did not preach a different (another) gospel from what Paul taught, thus Peter and Paul preached the same gospel of grace in Jesus Christ when read accurately in context. This is also to those whom are caught up in it and continue to falsely accuse us of following the traditions of men or twisting the Scriptures. For more resources please check out our Hyper-Dispensationalism section.

    If any of you have comments or questions concerning what has been shared here concerning what Mid Acts Dispensationalists believe/teach, or other issues, you are encouraged to share them with us either by leaving a comment or email.

    10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. (Acts 17:10-11 NASB)

    How about actually engaging in what has been shared, and if you are right it should not be that hard to address the exact Scriptures and points I have shared as being in error. How about it guys?

    Posted by Kelly Powers | December 21, 2016, 10:00 AM
  9. UPDATED: Hello Art. I got your comments by email. In your previous comment here you did not address what I shared or refute the Scriptures and my points. If you wish to prove your view and what I have shared in error, then do it by responding to what has been demonstrated. (this means the exact verse I shared and then you respond to that verse in context) If all you are going to do is post your stuff here and there, feel free to do that somewhere else. I want real conversations. Again, if what I have shared in my podcast and in the information notes is in error (respond to the exact verses and show my view wrong from the context), then prove me wrong from the Scriptures I have shared.

    If you feel this is to much here is a suggested conversation. 1.) Acts 15:7-11 2.) 1 Peter 1:3-12 3.) Galatians 1:6-9 with 2 Peter 3:14-18

    Acts 15:7-11 Peter taught the Gentiles and Jews were saved by faith just like they were and not of works. The dispute was on keeping the law for salvation. but Peter stood up defended the Gentiles, declared they were saved by grace just like they were, (the Jews) all those who trust in Jesus.

    1 Peter 1:3-12 taught that those whom he was writing to were saved and had reservations in heaven thus showing they were going to the save place as all others who are in Jesus as Paul taught. Peter spoke in these verses of the grace to come, prophesied by the Prophets, which was Jesus Christ, and those who trust in Him are saved, protected by the power of God, and will be in heaven.

    Paul taught in Galatians 1:6-9 that if “anyone” preached another gospel different from what he preached they were to be accursed! Peter and Paul were preaching the gospel to people at the same time, even to the same people at times, (Peter taught people whom Paul also taught) was Peter then accursed? Check out 2 Peter 3:14-18 where Peter in writing points out they were the same people whom Paul preached and taught! Thus Peter and Paul preached and taught some of the same people at times.

    Art, if I see replies but not on what has been asked, I will simply just move on and conclude you cannot refute what has been shared. Thank you for taking the time to come, and my heart is that you examine what has been shared in context.

    Posted by Kelly Powers | December 21, 2016, 2:33 PM
  10. Hello Kelly, I am a mid acts dispensationalist, and like most I started out believing what you believe about there only being one Gospel. People on both sides of this argument believe that they are rightly dividing the word of God, I would never dare question your salvation or think of calling what you believe a cult. We all have salvation through faith in Christs finished work on the cross without works. I have no doubt Kelly that you are more knowledgeable in the word of God then me, there is so much I don’t understand and I’m not trying to derail your beliefs.

    Separating the two gospels is not a matter of us not following Christ and following paul, the ascended Lord in his glorified body gave the gospel of the grace of God to paul and it is this that we follow, Galatians 1: 11-12, Eph 3: 1-2.

    To fully understand why we say there are two gospels, you have to understand Israel’s old testament program, Israel were to be a nation of priests Ex 19: 5-6 and when they were that nation of priests only then would they go to the gentiles, they were to be a light unto the gentiles Is 49: 6, Is 59: 20-21 and Is 60: 1-5, Zech 8:20-23. There are many more references to Israel being a kingdom of priests in the coming kingdom. The point I’m trying to make is that Israel was promised a King and a kingdom and they would be a nation of priests within it and would from there go out to the gentiles and be a light unto them.

    Christs purpose in his earthly ministry was to show Israel he was the Messiah and all his miracles were to be proof of this. In Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 4:23 we see it is the Gospel of the kingdom being preached, there are more references but I’m trying to keep this understandable. In Matt 10:5-7 we see Christ commanding the twelve not to go the way of the gentiles or Samaritans (half-breed Jews), but go to the house of Israel. I’m skipping a lot here but if we go to Matthew 15:24 Christ himself says he was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. All through the four gospels matthew, mark , luke and john we see the same language, there is know mention of salvation going to the gentiles except on 3 occasions. Christ dealt with gentiles in Matt 15:21 the cannanite women, Matt 8: 5 the roman centurion and John 4:9-42 the Samaritan women. These dealings were the exception not the rule, examples in the old testament would be Rahab, Ruth and Jonah being sent to Nineveh the rest of the time God dealt solely with Israel.

    When we get to the book of Acts we see the 12 apostles asking Christ if he will at this time restore the kingdom, they were still expecting it then, the had not begun the so called great commission because the were not yet in the kingdom and were not the kingdom of priests so they had know authority to do so, as Christ had told them in Matt 10 not to go the way of the gentiles. In Acts 2 we see at pentacost that they spake in tongues to “Jews devout men out of every nation under heaven” there is no mention of gentiles yet, and in that same chapter we see peter reading from Joel 2: 28… where he reads everything as though they are expecting the tribulation to happen then, they have know idea about the gospel of the grace of God ie the mysteries revealed to paul at this stage, in verse 22 he is addressing Israel “ye men of Israel” . Still know gentiles as yet and he is always telling Israel that they crucified Christ as apposed to paul who says he died for us. At the end of Acts 2, we see that all the believers in Christ sold all of there possessions, why did they do this? because they expected Christ to still return and be there King. In Acts 3:1 we see peter and john going together to the temple at the hour of prayer being the ninth hour, why? because they were still under the law, we in the body of Christ have know hour of prayer.

    The offer of Christ returning and setting up his kingdom was still a valid offer to Israel until the stoning of Stephen in Acts 8 when they blasphemed against the Holy Ghost as Stephen was filled with then Holy Ghost at that time. The fact that Christ was ready to return to set up the kingdom is shown is Act 8:55-56 where Christ is standing ready to return, different to being seated at the right hand of God until his enemies are made his footstool, Psalms 110:1 Acts 2:34-35 etc.

    It is not until Pauls conversion in Acts 9 and his commission in Acts 9:15 that we see salvation going to the gentiles and it is after this that peter is sent to the house of cornelius albeit reluctantly as can be seen in Acts 10.

    Israel in Christs earthly ministry were to believe in who Christ was ie there Messiah Matthew 16:13-17 peters statement of faith was that Jesus was the Christ the Son of the living God, another example is Martha in John 11:27 where she says she believes that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and Acts 3: 16 where salvation is through faith in his name. Yes the 12 knew of Christs death and resurrection but not until after it had happened as evidenced in Luke 18: 31-34 where it says the 12 understood none of these things, and John 20: 9 where it says they knew not the scripture that he must rise from the dead. Yes Christ preached his death burial and resurrection but it was not for the salvation we have today in the body of Christ, it was to establish the new covenant with Israel and to be the one and only sacrifice that would give Christ the credentials to become the High Priest of Israel Heb 9:11.

    I will be the first to admit there are verses on both sides of the argument that are hard to reconcile and there are good men of God on both sides that can explain or clarify a verse depending on there 1 or 2 gospel belief. Tit for tatt on different hard to reconcile verses is never going to convince anyone that there view is the wrong one. My hope is that you will see that mid-acts , ultra-dispensationalists or what ever other name we are called are not a cult, we are part of the same body of Christ that you are, there is no one that has is all right, but our basis of faith is in the blood of Christ, we believe the gospel as stated in 1 Cor 15:1-4 and if that makes us a cult so be it, but I’m sure we are both members in Christ just with a difference in our doctrine. I will put up a link that may be able to answer the verses you have put up for mid-acts believers to explain as it is far to complex to answer here.

    https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.wordpress.com/master-list-of-q-a-articles/

    Yours in Christ
    Jason Druce

    Posted by jason druce | January 4, 2017, 4:37 PM
  11. Hello Jason. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.

    I can tell you seem considerate which is refreshing. Though much of what shared is in error I appreciate the tone.

    Maybe we could have a dialogue between us on somethings.

    Kelly

    Posted by Kelly Powers | January 9, 2017, 3:18 PM

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